Exactly this, I'm sure the mafia etc have an internal code of practice that its members conform to with their own justice for those not conforming.Pretty sure even if we’re 100% guilty of what we’re accused of, we’ve not broken any criminal laws.. we will have just tried to circumnavigate some dodgy (possibly illegal) UEFA financial regulations. We’ve not commited bribery, extortion or tax fraud so if the very worst happens there will be no police or CPS involved .. or at least there won’t be any involved looking at what we’ve done
One thing I will say regarding the report mentioning how CAS operates as independent from uefa.
When Leterme was putting through the details of the PSG case, the case he reported in favour of the Qatari owners, it was the CAS chairman José Narciso da Cunha Rodrigues, that was totally livid that the report was done in a way to exonerate PSG from wrong doing
When Leterme effectively put our report through you can bet that José Narciso da Cunha Rodrigues was not going to allow another high profile club get off with it.
This is just food for thought and a conspiracy theory - what if because of PSG and the Qatari owners getting away scot free, that we were offered up on a plate as which to punish ?
We know that the smear campaign has the hands of Qatari involvement along with others involved
Always remember them kicking lumps out of City, each player would bow their heads in shame with hands behind back, little finger wag by the ref, only to trot off unpunished and repeat offence . Typical spoiling tactics. Nothing changes.My Dad often tells me that Allison had said we would terrify Europe.
Yes but he was 12 months early. It was much easier to win the European Cup in those days with a lot of weak teams in it and a lot less games to play. The hard bit was qualifying by winning your own league. Our team in 68/69 was well capable of winning that trophy but just under-performed. United won it in 68 with a poorer team than us plus George Best (who to be fair was brilliant before he went into rapid decline).My Dad often tells me that Allison had said we would terrify Europe.
Yes but he was 12 months early. It was much easier to win the European Cup in those days with a lot of weak teams in it and a lot less games to play. The hard bit was qualifying by winning your own league. Our team in 68/69 was well capable of winning that trophy but just under-performed. United won it in 68 with a poorer team than us plus George Best (who to be fair was brilliant before he went into rapid decline).
What a bizarre statement.Yeah, I'm hoping for a reduction to a 1yr ban. We (and our top players) can live with that.
I read the AC rules. They can call for additional evidence over and above what the IC submits. Did they do this in our case? Did extra evidence explain the increase in the sanction? We may never know.As @Norbiton points out, Rodrigues is head of the Adjudicatory Chamber of UEFA (and the CFCB of UEFA as a whole, I think).
As I understand it:
Leterme's Investigatory Chamber (IC) assess/collect evidence and make a recommendation to the Adjudicatory Chamber (the IC have an upper limit of what they can put down as a punishment themselves, about €100k, I think).
The Adjudicatory Chamber panel (3 of the 5 members) then assess the recommendation and what they're given.
My understanding is that the AC can only assess what they're given, but I've not heard anything to suggest that Rodrigues has any personal opinion on City - he was annoyed that Leterme had apparently unilaterally signed off on the dubious PSG sponsorship valuation, and sent it back to the IC.
I read the AC rules. They can call for additional evidence over and above what the IC submits. Did they do this in our case? Did extra evidence explain the increase in the sanction? We may never know.
Incidently, the AC habit of not releasing their reasoning for their decision while an appeal is pending is a little odd. Justice seen to be done?
Newcastle fans must surely now understand as well. The media is doing everything it can to undermine the Saudi takeover with one spurious reason after another. This simply would not be happening if, as previously predicted, the Saudis were trying to purchase United.
Yeah, reads a bit daft now I look back it at.
Obv I hope we are exonerated & I fully believe FFP is a load of shite.
Guess I meant I really fear the effect on us of a 2 year ban - so a 1 year ban would be manageable
I do wonder if part of our evidence will involve proving that pressure was put on the IC and AC from inside UEFA, hence rendering their claim of independence to be completely without foundation and that the investigation and our punishment were completely politically motivated and manipulated. That, for me, would be the one thing that would account for our complete confidence that we're innocent.
I do wonder if part of our evidence will involve proving that pressure was put on the IC and AC from inside UEFA, hence rendering their claim of independence to be completely without foundation and that the investigation and our punishment were completely politically motivated and manipulated. That, for me, would be the one thing that would account for our complete confidence that we're innocent.
Not sure it would account for our confidence in our innocence, I'm looking at that separately mate, but it would certainly show that what Khaldoon said last year, words to the effect of knowing certain people were conspiring against us, and we know who they are, well, if we had direct irrefutable proof of that in relation to this, then UEFA would be fucked imho.
Not sure it would account for our confidence in our innocence, I'm looking at that separately mate, but it would certainly show that what Khaldoon said last year, words to the effect of knowing certain people were conspiring against us, and we know who they are, well, if we had direct irrefutable proof of that in relation to this, then UEFA would be fucked imho.
I do wonder if part of our evidence will involve proving that pressure was put on the IC and AC from inside UEFA, hence rendering their claim of independence to be completely without foundation and that the investigation and our punishment were completely politically motivated and manipulated. That, for me, would be the one thing that would account for our complete confidence that we're innocent.
I wouldn't be surprised if our smoking gun had the potential to blow open the scandal of corruption at the highest levels of football worldwide.I honestly think City have a “smoking gun” - our statements - which will have been approved by our lawyers are incredibly bullish. Out of line with anything you normally see before legal proceedings. Legal advisers are always at pains to talk down your chances to protect themselves in the event of things ending badly. The real question is - if we do have a ‘smoking gun’ - do we fire it or do we get everything we want in a pre hearing deal?
Not sure it would account for our confidence in our innocence, I'm looking at that separately mate, but it would certainly show that what Khaldoon said last year, words to the effect of knowing certain people were conspiring against us, and we know who they are, well, if we had direct irrefutable proof of that in relation to this, then UEFA would be fucked imho.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps our irrefutable evidence also extends to showing that Uefa's 'independent' chambers are anything but.
Think you hit the nail on the head there. 'Certain people are conspiring against us and we know who they are'. I guess with that statement there will be a few people (clubs) sweating at the moment.