Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[dave_blue12]

Problem with having an opportunist at the helm rather than an ideologue is that we are constantly setting off in new directions, chasing the wind, as opposed to following a course. Then again, perhaps it's simply a question of poor vision.

Assuming, of course, that Johnson is actually in charge.

I don't believe he is.

 

[bluethrunthru]

what would our death toll be under any other government or Corbyn right now ?

Pathetic whataboutery which proves desperation - you may wish to alter your view when the easing of the lockdown against the advice of scientists ( you know those who's science we were following ) and the 2nd wave come - still that will keep Dom off the front pages anyway - who gives a fuck about Corbyn???

 

[Gabriel]

Assuming, of course, that Johnson is actually in charge.

I don't believe he is.

Should I put my David Icke shell suit on, or do you mean Cummings? :-)

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The problem is, because of the gross mishandling of the pandemic by our government, it’s going to cost us more than any other country as a proportion of GDP. If we don’t claw back some of this cost it will leave us at a huge disadvantage against our competitors whose pandemic response was better and consequently cost less.

Doesn't matter ... the economy is screwed after Brexit finalises with no deal anyway (notice how Cummings is staying on and only until) .... we're being sold to the Americans

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I know we were and certainly are now, at a different stage of this outbreak & in time we could although doubtful, come out looking a bit better than the present but those figures are very damning.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Yeh but...

They count the dead different to us.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I get that,but I just cant warm to Starmer at all and he appears to be doing everything he can to alienate the left of the Labour party. He just doesn't inspire me at all but then hardly anybody in the Labour party does. It is becoming the party of the middle class liberals, more akin to the American Democrats than the Party of Socialist values.

I did post, maybe on here I cant remember exactly that the EU referendum would damage the Labour party far more than it would the Tories because Labour always had a tradition of being Anti-EU that had been supressed by the Blairites and this allowed the working class to be exploited by the far right for nefarious ends as Labour was seen as the party of the liberal metropolitan elite. It was Starmer and his disastrous stance on the EU that allowed the Tories to take the red wall. Corbyn should have come out and been true to himself and supported leave, but he was hamstrung by the Labour PLP and that opened the door for an opportunist like Johnson to take power. The Labour party PLP is as responsible for that **** Johnson being in power as anyone.

It breaks my heart to see the likes of Reeves in the shadow cabinet, she supported Osbornes crusade against the welfare state and many in the Labour party like Cooper did as well, they let the working class down big time. This all created the conditions for the perfect storm that resulted in Johnson being able to convince working class people that the Tories had their interests at heart. The actions of those handful of cunts at Labour HQ and the traitorous actions of Watson have left the party in disarray, it is losing members by the thousands and the chance it had for real change has passed and the Tories as proven by the events of this week are virtually untouchable. The only saving grace is Brexit and what comes after, maybe Labour can rise again after Brexit but it fucking wnt if it comes out as a pro-rejoin party. It has to accept the reality of BREXIT and revel in the fact we are out of the capitalist club and act accordingly, sadly under Starmer I just cant see that happening and can only see at least another decade of Tory misrule.

That’s because most of those in the old left style workers are middle class liberals.

Joiners, gardeners, builders, plumbers, electricians, mechanics etc. all rake in shed loads of money these days. Their political stance will have changed as much as their income.

I know a father and son who run a garage in Altrincham and the Dad lives in some gigantic house near Knutsford with acres of land.

These jobs are done by lads who don’t need to stay on council estates they grew up on anymore, like they did 50 years ago.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yeh but...

They count the dead different to us.

By using lower numbers the cheating bastards !!

 

[robbieh]

The Spanish figure yesterday was amazing given the whole heap of shit it was in 2 months ago.

But even with that success the right wing are moaning cunts.

Unlike the UK they are not in power which explains a lot.

 

[bluethrunthru]

This seemed to receive little or no coverage - what a surprise

 

[mat]

An awkward question hangs over the COVID-19-shuttered world of Downing Street. At his daily morning meeting, Boris Johnson, back to full duties after suffering a serious bout of the virus, recently asked who was in charge of relaxing Britain’s lockdown plan, with all of the risks and uncertainties that entails for a government. "There was just silence,” an insider told the Sunday Times newspaper. "He looked over at Mark Sedwill (his top civil servant) and asked, ‘Is it you?’ The official replied, ‘No, I think it’s you, prime minister.’”

Sedwill was right. The United Kingdom’s leader enjoys some of the strongest centralized powers in Europe — and yet, paradoxically, the man who fought so hard to gain control of his party and Britain’s destiny is reluctant to take responsibility.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinio...leaves-dirty-work-everyone-else/#.XtJ9GGTTW2w

 

[Chris in London]

Yeh but...

They count the dead different to us.

This.

Un, dos, tres, Quattro...

 

[dave_blue12]

Should I put my David Icke shell suit on, or do you mean Cummings? :-)

Johnson couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

He is nominally in charge as long as it suits those who are really pulling the strings.

If it suits Johnson will be thrown under a bus and replaced.

Cummings is part of it but there are many others.

You can wear the Icke shellsuit if you like ;)

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

So how's the anyone but Corbyn working out for you guys ?

Just asking ....

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

That’s because most of those in the old left style workers are middle class liberals.

Joiners, gardeners, builders, plumbers, electricians, mechanics etc. all rake in shed loads of money these days. Their political stance will have changed as much as their income.

I know a father and son who run a garage in Altrincham and the Dad lives in some gigantic house near Knutsford with acres of land.

These jobs are done by lads who don’t need to stay on council estates they grew up on anymore, like they did 50 years ago.

So you are saying as the general population gets wealthier then people are less inclined to vote for the far left?

 

[bluethrunthru]

This just about sums up the farce of his govt now - its a desperate PR operation masquerading as the competent handling of a public health crisis. If/when Mondays changes result in a second spike and a further lockdown - most likely in London and the South East due to population density, number of commuters there will be and very low R rate there - they will be completely fucked. I'd expect at that stage just about all of SAGE will abandon them to preserve their own reputations and it will just be Johnson, Cumming,s the Cabinet and Vallance and Whitty trying to somehow style it out

 

[Gabriel]

This just about sums up the farce of his govt now - its a desperate PR operation masquerading as the competent handling of a public health crisis. If/when Mondays changes result in a second spike and a further lockdown - most likely in London and the South East due to population density, number of commuters there will be and very low R rate there - they will be completely fucked. I'd expect at that stage just about all of SAGE will abandon them to preserve their own reputations and it will just be Johnson, Cumming,s the Cabinet and Vallance and Whitty trying to somehow style it out

The two countries that were reputedly best prepared to face a pandemic have been found to be woefully inadequate when it came to implementing that preparedness. Both have exerted greater effort saving political face than saving people’s lives, and that will ultimately haunt them.

The UK government would do better to learn from example rather than bragging about leading by example, and I rather fear there that will be further deaths. I doubt there will be a second wave but instead isolated whirlpools that suck smaller numbers down, and I’d be especially concerned about industries where health and safety starts and ends by sticking a poster on the wall. The meat processing industry on the continent has thrown up multiple cases, so you’d think the UK has had ample warning and time to prepare...

 

[jay_mcfc]

26 point lead down to 4 points in latest poll. Imagine wanting a job so much your entire life but you end up being so completely shit at it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

26 point lead down to 4 points in latest poll. Imagine wanting a job so much your entire life but you end up being so completely shit at it.

Don't have to imagine it we can watch it happening right now