George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Eccles cake reserves said:
Say's it how it is go on trumpy! Looting starts shooting starts what's the problem! The copper gets book thrown at him rightly so but there's a way of protesting don't burn your own house down
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There are ways of protesting? Go on then, let us know what they are that haven't all ready been tried and ignored?
 
Scottyboi said:
Some saying the highway wasn't actually shut and it looks like it caught him off guard, he stopped and was then beaten to within an inch of his life.
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Yeah, that looks like an accident. He wouldn't stop otherwise. Although reading the follow up details, it suggests that the highway was closed an hour before it happened.
 
basokla said:
Oh good grief. They got pepper sprayed and lived to tell. What a harrowing event.

We don’t know the full circumstances that led up to that moment.
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What circumstances exactly would justify pepperspraying a clearly identified member of the press who is already face down on the ground?

The bullshit apologists come out with is incredible.
 
domalino said:
What circumstances exactly would justify pepperspraying a clearly identified member of the press who is already face down on the ground?

The bullshit apologists come out with is incredible.
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Oh I don’t know. Perhaps shots fired nearby. And the possibility of fake credentials.

Who knows?
 
basokla said:
Oh I don’t know. Perhaps shots fired nearby. And the possibility of fake credentials.

Who knows?
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If it was a single incident, you might have a point. But there are now hundreds of videos of police needlessly escalating violence or responding violently to peaceful protesters or members of the media doing their jobs. And it seems to come down to how they've been trained. American cops seem to be taught to go into every situation and encounter as if their life is at risk.

But the problem with this incident is that it is an exact copy of the attitude, if not the actions, that caused George Floyd's death in the first place. This idea that you can clearly have someone restrained and compliant, and you are then still justified in continuing to commit violence against them.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
If it was a single incident, you might have a point. But there are now hundreds of videos of police needlessly escalating violence or responding violently to peaceful protesters or members of the media doing their jobs. And it seems to come down to how they've been trained. American cops seem to be taught to go into every situation and encounter as if their life is at risk.

But the problem with this incident is that it is an exact copy of the attitude, if not the actions, that caused George Floyd's death in the first place. This idea that you can clearly have someone restrained and compliant, and you are then still justified in continuing to commit violence against them.
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He wouldnt' have a point. Neither of those scenarios justify shooting a person already on the floor and complying with pepper spray.
 
domalino said:
He wouldnt' have a point. Neither of those scenarios justify shooting a person already on the floor and complying with pepper spray.
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I meant he might have a point about the reason for the media being told the get down in the first place. But yeah, you're right.

We've seen this so many times in other protests. Pepper spray, tasers, and so on, were always sold to us as an alternative to having to shoot someone. They're for the protection of officers who would otherwise have to use guns to protect themselves. But more often than not, we see them, and other forms of violence, being used against people who are simply non-compliant, not actually a threat. A protester won't move? Give them a swift kick, a hit of pepper spray or a rubber bullet (or often point a real gun at them and get surprised when people panic and act in a way that then results in them getting shot).

 
#alllivesmater is trending. With one T. It's almost a parody at this point.

Admittedly it's mainly now trending because of everyone pointing out how stupid they are, but still.
 
An excellent evidence-based thread on how to cut police violence:



Highlights: body cams do nothing to cut police violence, getting rid of military weaponry does, unions actively work to reinstate bad cops, stricter rules of engagement cut shootings.
 
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