I agree about the care homes bit, but even if you ruled out ALL the care home deaths, we'd still have 50x the numbers of deaths compared to e.g. South Korea. Literally.Not face masks but care homes. The other countries mentioned value their elderly population and we treat ours like shit. Median age of all these ‘covid deaths’ is 84, which is older than the life expectancy of anyone ever born in this country. Now, imagine that someone has made up a ‘likely death number’ and the government have panicked and, consequently, instead of getting PPE into care homes and stopping infections in those care homes, we just sent a load of old, co-morbid and infected patients, back into a confined space, in the name of ‘protecting the NHS’.
Not only that, but we then promised up to £2.5k a month for people to not work, whilst we stood by and watched the people working in those infection pits (and those taking people to work in those homes and hospitals) get by on minimum wage, with £90 pw if they were ill. Surprisingly enough, lots of them went to work whilst they were ill. And then, as if to compound that, let’s send those ill members of care home staff to work in up to 5 different care homes a fortnight. If you’d actually wanted to get rid of large numbers of elderly people, you couldn’t have actually come up with a better plan.
They aren’t even through their first wave yet so it’s definitely anyone’s guess.any best guesses ?
The hundreds of thousands out protesting in the streets all together in America - will this mean there will be a catastrophic second wave of Covid ?
And if there is not - what does that mean ?
Great logicProbably the same reasons as the 95% who aren’t wearing them.
Glad you agree.Great logic
The crazy thing is you could be dying with terminal cancer, you could then pick up covid while in the hospital, then your death gets counted as "covid related" when in actual fact, if you didn't have cancer in the first place you would never have gone in hospital and would never have caught the virus.The girl i am seeing currently is a nurse at Tameside hospital.
She's been working on the covid wards whilst her normal ward is closed during this crisis.
Of course the whole epidemic has come in our talks, she mentioned that a lot of the times when in the morgue to help with the risk of not passing the disease on to other people they are being marked down as the cause of death being COVID-19.
Crazy right? So people who have passed due to Cancer are now being marked down as a covid19 death. there was a lad who did in a motorcycle accident who on his death certificate has it down that he died due to coronavirus.
I am sure in the future a lot of the deaths we have had will be relooked at.
The crazy thing is you could be dying with terminal cancer, you could then pick up covid while in the hospital, then your death gets counted as "covid related" when in actual fact, if you didn't have cancer in the first place you would never have gone in hospital and would never have caught the virus.
The crazy thing is you could be dying with terminal cancer, you could then pick up covid while in the hospital, then your death gets counted as "covid related" when in actual fact, if you didn't have cancer in the first place you would never have gone in hospital and would never have caught the virus.
You could say the same for anything.
someone who has terminal cancer walks down a street and gets hit by a car and dies. they just become another car death statistic, if they hadn't walked down that street they wouldn't have died.
But the cancer wouldn't have directly caused them to get hit by a car.You could say the same for anything.
someone who has terminal cancer walks down a street and gets hit by a car and dies. they just become another car death statistic, if they hadn't walked down that street they wouldn't have died.
WoooshGlad you agree.
But the cancer wouldn't have directly caused them to get hit by a car.
You have cancer, you go to hospital. You're more likely to catch Covid in hospital. Therefore the very thing that would have killed you on it's own was solely responsible for you catching this virus that was irrelevant in its effects on you but hugely relevant in ramping up our already too high death statistics.
Coupled with the fact my lockdown started 2 weeks before most due to an operation. I haven't been in a supermarket since first week in March, or on public transport since 1990 nor have I been within 2 metres of anyone for more than 15 secs so I believe the mask not to be required yet purchased for when I go back to work or have to go to tesco due to no deliveries available.So because nobody round your way is wearing one you are not? That makes sense
The crazy thing is you could be dying with terminal cancer, you could then pick up covid while in the hospital, then your death gets counted as "covid related" when in actual fact, if you didn't have cancer in the first place you would never have gone in hospital and would never have caught the virus.
It was a purely hypothetical statement which you seem to have taken too literally.It could have been if it was eye cancer!!
Your basically trying to boil it down to the infirm being infected because they had to go to hospital where you feel they are more likely to have caught covid which is an assumption that needs some statistical backup to be proven.
most hospitals have quite decent segregation for covid/non covid patients so i dont think your assumption carrys a huge amount of wright. some will have caught it in hospital no doubt. but id say "hugely relevant" is a overstatement.
Old peoples homes on the other hand....
They close hotels because of the CV risk but keep Care Homes open without any further risk assessment to reduce that risk to the most vulnerable.Not face masks but care homes. The other countries mentioned value their elderly population and we treat ours like shit. Median age of all these ‘covid deaths’ is 84, which is older than the life expectancy of anyone ever born in this country. Now, imagine that someone has made up a ‘likely death number’ and the government have panicked and, consequently, instead of getting PPE into care homes and stopping infections in those care homes, we just sent a load of old, co-morbid and infected patients, back into a confined space, in the name of ‘protecting the NHS’.
Not only that, but we then promised up to £2.5k a month for people to not work, whilst we stood by and watched the people working in those infection pits (and those taking people to work in those homes and hospitals) get by on minimum wage, with £90 pw if they were ill. Surprisingly enough, lots of them went to work whilst they were ill. And then, as if to compound that, let’s send those ill members of care home staff to work in up to 5 different care homes a fortnight. If you’d actually wanted to get rid of large numbers of elderly people, you couldn’t have actually come up with a better plan.
Sarcasm.Wooosh