COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Gaylord du Bois]

Some people carried the virus from hospital to care home but it’s not as clear as I made out? Elderly patients were tested in hospitals, tested positive and were then sent back to their care homes (who often weren’t told about that positive test) in order that the ‘NHS was not overwhelmed’ and you say it’s not as clear as it’s made out?
As for care home workers knowingly going to work infected, it wasn’t meant to be a bitter view mate, just realistic. You might be lucky enough to not worry about where your next meal is coming from, but not everyone has that luxury. Many of the care home workers are on zero hours contracts, work 2/3 different jobs and don’t have access to any other money and the state aid they’d get is next to useless. They might well have had very minor symptoms and could not access testing in the early stages and you think that they’d have all stayed at home for 2 weeks, just in case?

Hospital clinicians must sign off on all those leaving hospital to go into care homes. Do you really think anyone of them would go against their moral and professional scruples? Incidentally, where are all these Covid infested geriatric wards? Surely we'd have been having hospital wards shut down, if it were the case. Can't say I've heard of that happening.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Hospital clinicians must sign off on all those leaving hospital to go into care homes. Do you really think anyone of them would go against their moral and professional scruples? Incidentally, where are all these Covid infested geriatric wards? Surely we'd have been having hospital wards shut down, if it were the case. Can't say I've heard of that happening.

Over 40% of all deaths happening in care homes and over 20% of hospitalised covid patients caught it in hospital and yet you think I’ve made it all up. I bow to your more informed knowledge, as will the following, no doubt.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/09/doct...ck-care-homes-without-telling-staff-12679960/

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...they-didnt-take-in-covid-19-patients-11986578

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...y-care-homes-despite-KNOWING-coronavirus.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hospitals-knew-elderly-patients-coronavirus-22001069

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-care-homes-nhs-deaths-statistics-a9500326.html

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Over 40% of all deaths happening in care homes and over 20% of hospitalised covid patients caught it in hospital and yet you think I’ve made it all up. I bow to your more informed knowledge, as will the following, no doubt.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/09/doct...ck-care-homes-without-telling-staff-12679960/

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...they-didnt-take-in-covid-19-patients-11986578

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...y-care-homes-despite-KNOWING-coronavirus.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hospitals-knew-elderly-patients-coronavirus-22001069

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-care-homes-nhs-deaths-statistics-a9500326.html

Every link pretty much says the same thing.
From the Mirror.
"In cases where it looks like the information wasn't disclosed by the hospital, we are looking at whether the hospital breached their regulations and whether we can take action."
Nothing proven so far

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Every link pretty much says the same thing.
From the Mirror.
"In cases where it looks like the information wasn't disclosed by the hospital, we are looking at whether the hospital breached their regulations and whether we can take action."
Nothing proven so far

So how do you think 40% of ALL deaths have occurred in care homes and do you think it was just an unfortunate coincidence that the government decided to use ‘deaths in hospital’ as their original measure?

 

[Scouse Blue]

Media now focused on Government should have better protected BAME community. FFS influence their genetics and influence their genes. I absolutely give up. It's very sad, but even after you have removed all other variables, there is something much deeper that is driving this disproportionate effect.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

So how do you think 40% of ALL deaths have occurred in care homes and do you think it was just an unfortunate coincidence that the government decided to use ‘deaths in hospital’ as their original measure?

How many known Covid patients were sent from hospital, to care homes, without information being disclosed ? Name just one hospital that did this.
You do realise that any patient discharged to a care home will have been by agreement of the local authority or manager of private care homes.
Patients discharged to care homes were also isolated for 14 days. Test or no test.

 

[PragueBlue]

So how do you think 40% of ALL deaths have occurred in care homes and do you think it was just an unfortunate coincidence that the government decided to use ‘deaths in hospital’ as their original measure?

I think most countries at that time (and many still) were just declaring hospital deaths.

 

[fulabeer]

Yup, a woman I work with took two weeks off because she had a cough, which turned out to be nothing. Now her husband has tested positive so she has been told she has to self isolate for two weeks. But she already has taken the two weeks sick leave, so she will get nothing. Luckily she is alright and has enough money so it's not a major issue, but a ton of people who are living week to week will be being asked to self isolate just in case they have it and that will inevitably lead to some of them going in to work because they need the money.

Some people might end up being told 3 or 4 times they should isolate for 2 weeks, without pay.

It is a reality some people just don't understand mate. This track and trace may cause more problems than it solves.
I was happy to self isolate early on when i had symptoms.
Then do the same again when my wife and kids had symptoms.

My wife is a key working teacher looking after key workers children.
Basically everything will trigger this self isolation track and trace thing.
She will get paid regardless.
I'm self employed and will receive nothing. We having savings, so i can manage for a while.
However, my business cannot recover if i constantly let my customers down. People are being more understanding, but that only goes so far.

The main problem with the track and trace stopping me working is that i probably don't have it, and it's only a precaution. It's harder to believe if i and my family don't have any symptoms.
So if it constantly triggers and i cannot work, then at some point i will ignore it.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Good old English public enjoying themselves, can’t be too careful with cleanliness eh

Any time a beach or park is left in a state it should be closed to the public for a month.

If it keeps happening, close it for two months... then three months.

I hate littering and fly tipping that much I’d dish out the death penalty to any **** doing it.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

The motorcyclist - maybe he should have done a 60 mile round trip to Alton Towers to check his eyesight.

offt

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The reproduction rate has risen to 1.95 in Berlin, authorities said – meaning each infected person in the German capital is passing the virus on to nearly two others. Berlin’s health minister Dilek Kolat said it showed a “trend reversal”

BBC

 

[richardtheref]

And here in the North East Hamsterly forest had to close on Monday after saying they had received a record number of punters. A town near Barnard Castle, called Middleton in Teasdale was shut down by the police due to the amount of visitors.
And a report is now out showing that Dominic Cummings parents have not paid council tax on their property and the 2nd house on the land did noit have building permission. Apparently they only had the ok to build a swimming pool but built the 2nd house as well.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

How many known Covid patients were sent from hospital, to care homes, without information being disclosed ? Name just one hospital that did this.
You do realise that any patient discharged to a care home will have been by agreement of the local authority or manager of private care homes.
Patients discharged to care homes were also isolated for 14 days. Test or no test.

Any patient discharged to a care home will be by agreement with the LA or the manager of the private care home? Did that form the ‘ring of steel’ thrown round care homes ensuring the infection was kept out? If what you say is true, how did it get into the care home sector? By the way, this isn’t a criticism of the government as most of Western Europe have been guilty of exactly the same thing. Pretending it didn’t happen, rather than looking at why it happened, will not stop it happening again.

 

[doobyedoobye]

Unfortunately my Dad is now in ICU

 

[Gabriel]

The reproduction rate has risen to 1.95 in Berlin, authorities said – meaning each infected person in the German capital is passing the virus on to nearly two others. Berlin’s health minister Dilek Kolat said it showed a “trend reversal”

BBC

At the same time, albeit 2 days ago.

“There are three indicators for assessing the situation in Berlin: In addition to the reproduction rate, the number of new infections per week and 100 000 inhabitants and the proportion of Covid-19 patients in intensive care units. The other two indicators were in the green range on Monday. If two of these three indicators were to exceed certain limits, politicians would see a need for consultation or action.”

https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coron...new-corona-cases-reproduction-rate-ri.en.html

 

[peoffrey]

What are the rules with train journeys? Am I allowed to go between London and Birmingham and back again?

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Unfortunately my Dad is now in ICU

Hope all works out mate.

 

[doobyedoobye]

Hope all works out mate.

Thanks mate

 

[Cityfan]

Unfortunately my Dad is now in ICU

Thoughts are with you and yours , hope it all goes well for him.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Come off it mate, everybody looks for path of least resistance, which is buying them off eBay & Amazon etc. British mentality.

Last resort is using something homemade.

Ebay and amazon are awash with fakes though. People exploiting the situation. This morning I got a text from my GP surgery saying that they are asking all patients to wear a “face mask or face covering”. “Face covering” is specifically used to cover all bases, in particular homemade coverings, or using clothing that can pull over your face like a snood or whatever. The text also had a link to the government website and a page telling you how to make your own mask from a t-shirt.

You can disagree, but this is from the NHS/Government. We are not rolling around in medical grade masks, we are being encouraged to use absolutely anything we can fashion into one.