Another new Brexit thread

[west didsblue]

No, it clearly wasn't, as your graph even shows. 60% voted for other reasons or considered other reasons as more important. But you just want to keep banging that "mimmigration" argument (which is no longer relevant these days)

You're not doing an IfIonlyhada... on us are you?

It was the first or second reason for 70% of Leavers. No other reason was ahead but it wasn’t about immigration.
Ok.

 

[west didsblue]

So what?

It was a part of my reasoning to vote to leave as well as i favour and always have favoured a points style immigration policy open to anyone regardless of where they come from and based on skills gaps that need to be filled.

It also stops the brain drain from poorer EU countries who need to grow themselves instead of seeing its population, up sticks to move to the UK/France/Germany etc.

Happy to be shown im talking bollocks here and that immigration to the poorer EU nations from the UK/France/Germany etc is equal and that FOM works perfectly?

It’s heartwarming that you voted for Brexit out of concern for poorer EU countries.
It really is.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

We're no longer going to be contributing to the EU budget
We're free to engage and have relationships with other nations outside the EU in any manner we choose
We're no longer regarded as "EU citizens"
We're no longer connected to the EU Parliament
We're no longer influenced by the unelected EU Commission
We're no longer committed to an isolationist bloc that shuts out the entire world and only promotes its own members, whilst disregarding the needs and terms of the rest of the world
We're no longer endorsing or promoting the "EU PROJECT", nor are our taxes/funds, resources and facilities being used to support its creation.

Naturally to a federal EU supporter like yourself these are not "benefits". They are to those who are opposed to what the EU has become. It'd be like trying to "convince" a rag on the benefits of supporting City. You've already chosen your outlook so I really don't know why you keep asking.

It's a coping mechanism, after losing each and every vote and argument, time after time,
the brain switches to cope with the grief. It will no doubt be repeated ad nauseum again.

 

[blueinsa]

It’s heartwarming that you voted for Brexit out of concern for poorer EU countries.
It really is.

It's a consideration at least of a real issue for these countries.

Or is the EU model/FOM designed around poaching talent to grow your own economy whilst throwing the disadvantaged a bone now and then?

At what point does the EU model enable a Poland to challenge a France or a Greece to challenge a Germany or a Romania to challenge the UK?

 

[Metal Biker]

It's a coping mechanism, after losing each and every vote and argument, time after time,
the brain switches to cope with the grief. It will no doubt be repeated ad nauseum again.

It's the cycle of inane discussion.

No-one:
Absolutely no-one:
Not a single person:
Remainer: lEaVeRs VoTeD tO sToP mImmIgRaNts!!
Us: Did we? Pretty sure there were many justified reasons we voted to leave, and it wasn't all about immigration.
Remainer: oH mY gOd! StOp TaLkInG aBoUt BeInG cAlLeD rAcIsT!!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The thing that bores me the most on here is the need for links to James O’Brien and the guardian etc
It’s like everyday some people look in the remainer echo chamber for something to make them still feel they are right
It ain’t changing brexit but if you get to feel these ‘little victories’ then so be it

I remember the kipper on that O'Brien when the GE results came in, it looked like he was in the
grip of a severe bout of haemorrhoids. All that sterling work lambasting and ranting, and his smug
belief that people would act upon his sage-like musings, all of it went to ratshit.
Ah well.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

All it's doing is exposing how remainers believed their own lies they told about leaving intentions.

"oH, I tHoUgHt BrExIt WaS aBouT sToPpInG mIgRaNtS"

No, it wasn't, plainly. And you still haven't answered if you think we're racists or not.

My own personal experience of talking to leavers is that eventually immigration enters the conversation but do I think that everyone who voted leave is a racist ?..... No

But I think that you're ignoring the fact that the Government and its leaders (including Farage) are racist... and campaigned and continue to campaign , subliminally and openly on an anti-immigrant, anti-asylum seeker platform and they continue to use dog whistle politics to appeal to peoples prejudices and exploit their ignorance.

Do I think that leavers were manipulated and lied to ? ....Yes. Is racism at the root of the Brexit vote... possibly but it's probably xenophobia more than racism.

In any event .. since the vote the racists have been ennobled.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...se-since-brexit-vote-nationwide-study-reveals

 

[west didsblue]

It's a coping mechanism, after losing each and every vote and argument, time after time,
the brain switches to cope with the grief. It will no doubt be repeated ad nauseum again.

A bit like your tedious repetitive gloating posts?
Or maybe not quite that frequently.

 

[west didsblue]

It's a consideration at least of a real issue for these countries.

Or is the EU model/FOM designed around poaching talent to grow your own economy whilst throwing the disadvantages a bone now and then?

At what point does the EU model enable a Poland to challenge a France or a Greece to challenge a Germany or a Romania to challenge the UK?

Why don’t you start a thread on it? My main concern is the UK not Poland’s standing in the EU.

 

[Metal Biker]

It's a consideration at least of a real issue for these countries.

Or is the EU model/FOM designed around poaching talent to grow your own economy whilst throwing the disadvantages a bone now and then?

At what point does the EU model enable a Poland to challenge a France or a Greece to challenge a Germany or a Romania to challenge the UK?

Western Europe supplies the opportunities, Eastern Europe supplies the cheap labour. Western Europe profits, Eastern Europe left reliant on Western Europe thanks to "handouts".

 

[blueinsa]

Why don’t you start a thread on it? My main concern is the UK not Poland’s standing in the EU.

I have no need to, its very much brexit related.

You asked a question about peoples reasons and I've given you mine and pointed out my issue with FOM and the effects it has on everyone.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

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Almost every single prominent remain advocating MP lost their seat at the 2019 election, replaced with pro-brexit MP's, yet apparently, that's still not conclusive enough evidence that the majority of the British public wanted brexit, over three years after the initial result.

The James O'Brien/New European reading bubble is quite the analgesic to remainers it seems.

The other laugh on here is that those very same MP's outed by the electorate were 'Forced out.'
Dead right they were, lol.

 

[mcfc1632]

This'll please the leavers ....... not ....... get them all back plus 3,000,000 from Hong Kong and still we cant harvest the crops

You got something against the citizens of Hong Kong?

Or do you simply support the actions of China?

Also, you and others seem keen to maintain the discrimination of citizens from around the world - no matter race or colour - through the retention of FOM.

For people that seem desperate to paint Leavers as people with racist tendencies you fellas seem pretty inconsistent and mixed up

 

[Metal Biker]

My own personal experience of talking to leavers is that eventually immigration enters the conversation but do I think that everyone who voted leave is a racist ?..... No

But I think that you're ignoring the fact that the Government and its leaders (including Farage) are racist... and campaigned and continue to campaign , subliminally and openly on an anti-immigrant, anti-asylum seeker platform and they continue to use dog whistle politics to appeal to peoples prejudices and exploit their ignorance.

Do I think that leavers were manipulated and lied to ? ....Yes. Is racism at the root of the Brexit vote... possibly but it's probably xenophobia more than racism.

In any event .. since the vote the racists have been ennobled.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...se-since-brexit-vote-nationwide-study-reveals

Then why did you state "the racism was implied..." when you know you're not talking to anyone like you've just described?

I'm not ignoring, I sipmply don't care what the likes of Fargy-bargy has/had to say because I was more interested in the arguments Tony Benn made while he was alive. He was much more instrumental in convincing me that the EU was heading down a dark path, but you don't care about that do you.

If you genuinely believe leavers were manipulated and lied to, the same can be applied to scores of remainers who voted because they believe Cameron and Osbourn's fear campaign. I'm guessing you haven't read the article again? It speaks of how racist incidents have been doubling ever year SINCE 2013! It's not 'brexit' related.

Omar Khan, the chief executive of the Runnymede Trust, a race equality thinktank, said it was now clear that Brexit, while not the source of racism, had led to higher levels of racism being expressed and that social media was “normalising hate and increasing division”.

All that's happened is that people who were racist before brexit, and will likely be afterwards, are feeling emboldened. It's nothing connected to the vote itself or people's intentions.

Read your goddamn links before you link them, FFS.

EDIT: What a surprise, you've ignored the response to this as well...

 

[BobKowalski]

Western Europe supplies the opportunities, Eastern Europe supplies the cheap labour. Western Europe profits, Eastern Europe left reliant on Western Europe thanks to "handouts".

Yes it is. And as the countries economies and infrastructures improve the migration lessens and they in turn draw in labour from other countries. For example Poland from Ukraine. Approx 650k Ukrainians obtain EU citizenship via Poland per year.

This is no different to rural areas in England seeing migration of younger people to London or Scotland to England in times past.

What is interesting is this authoritarian belief amongst Brexiteers that ordinary people should be made to stay where they are, the need to restrict their ability to improve their lives for themselves and their families, the need to build walls between themselves and others.

Mini Trumpettes.

 

[Metal Biker]

The other laugh on here is that those very same MP's outed by the electorate were 'Forced out.'
Dead right they were, lol.

FBPE Politician: "Vote for me, and i'll help stop brexit"
Electorate: *votes for another candidate*
FBPE Politician: "That's illegal"

 

[blueinsa]

How the fuck can you be racist when its FOM from white, European countries you are against whilst advocating an immigration system form anywhere in the world, regardless of colour or race?

 

[Metal Biker]

Yes it is. And as the countries economies and infrastructures improve the migration lessens and they in turn draw in labour from other countries. For example Poland from Ukraine. Approx 650k Ukrainians obtain EU citizenship via Poland per year.

This is no different to rural areas in England seeing migration of younger people to London or Scotland to England in times past.

What is interesting is this authoritarian belief amongst Brexiteers that ordinary people should be made to stay where they are, the need to restrict their ability to improve their lives for themselves and their families, the need to build walls between themselves and others.

Mini Trumpettes.

You reached that assumption based on what exactly?

You're just filled with bile aren't you, and it's so amusing to see. "Trump!" "Tories!" "Racists!" Why oh why does nobody take you seriously, I wonder?

You don't care one jot about these people or the idea that many people in Eastern Europe are proud of where they live, want to see their nations progress rather than be forced to accept handouts from others, whilst bleeding their workforce and talented individuals to these other nations of Europe. To you they're just a statistic to be used in a remain argument.

This may come as a shock to you, but there are patriotic Poles, patriotic Romanians, patriotic Czechs, Hungarians etc, who want to see their nations grow, and consider the "growth of Europe" as secondary or don't even consider that notion at all.

 

[blueinsa]

Mini Trumpettes.

Deary me Bob.

Thought the silly childish name calling was frowned upon on here i mean christ, calling Liverpool fans dippers gets deleted most times yet we still get posts like this?

Still if it makes you feel better....

 

[west didsblue]

How the fuck can you be racist when its FOM from white, European countries you are against whilst advocating an immigration system form anywhere in the world, regardless of colour or race?

You can if you’re thick as well (not you personally). Do you remember some of the interviews on TV at the time?