George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Deleted member 77198]

Interesting and small world.

That would have most likely have been Ali and myself that were being attacked in Alty... By City fans, of all people.

So, you have some experience of the police, but not as a target.

Imagine if you're targeted and 'stop and search' was fairly regular?

Happened to myself in my late 20's and I was told I was "known". Lifted for armed robbery of a hotel, suspect of a rape(neither which I knew happened) and lifted for a GBH of a rapist(for which I can or cannot deny).

Also happened to my nephew in Manchester for assumption of weed possession and I've heard similar to my nephew in London.

Was it the bar next to the bar on the corner, think it was called Litten Tree back then, maybe Bar Med? It was a Sunday after the 2004 derby and it was City fans, unfortunately. Not me though! I was just being nosey and didn’t know who i was talking to when the Police turned up saying I’d been trying to smash a window.

I completely sympathise with what you’re saying but you ask some of the white kids from Wythenshawe, Everton, Middlesbrough (can’t remember the area off the top of my head), Galsgow (again can’t remember the name of the area) and the small Welsh towns which are all the white areas that are the most deprived areas in the country; and they’ll have targeted stop+search stories just because of where they come from.

Although while I think we are nothing like the US, and are one of the multiculturally open and safe countries in the world, there will still be some racist Police officers and some racism in the population in general, so I’m not saying it doesn’t go on. Just that we are nothing like the US.

 

[give it to gordon]

You are missing the point,we police by consent here but the racism and struggles that go with being black and ethnic are here as well,they are showing support for the Americans getting battered and murdered but they have their own issues here ,this is the best chance in a long time to try and raise those and try and force change

As I say it is shit timing but being treated badly for the colour of your skin is something they live with every day so I support their right to take this opportunity

A lot are wearing masks,the gov keep telling us that transmission in the open air is very low,it is transmission indoors that is the worst risk,we haven't seen a big jump from Easter or the last bank holiday crowds so hopefully it will be ok,everyone moving is better than a football crowd staying put and singing and shouting and hugging right in each other's faces is the more risky thing to do

I don't go along with this is the best time in a long time , sadly this type of thing happens in the usa on a fairly regular basis , along with mass shootings. Now is not the time for the british to be mass gathering and spreading the pandemic.

 

[kaz7]

The point is whatever we do here is not going to change policy in the states and we are being deluded if we think otherwise. They are a gun toting nation and have an extremely heavy handed racist law enforcement system which is not going to Change with a few thousand people marching on the home office.

They are demonstrating against oppression and abused based on their skin colour,what is going on in America has enraged them because they are them,it's complicated

We have racism in the police and media here

 

[Bigga]

The point is whatever we do here is not going to change policy in the states and we are being deluded if we think otherwise. They are a gun toting nation and have an extremely heavy handed racist law enforcement system which is not going to Change with a few thousand people marching on the home office.

You're being tone deaf.

You'll hear if you take your fingers out of your ears.

 

[Bigga]

Was it the bar next to the bar on the corner, think it was called Litten Tree back then, maybe Bar Med? It was a Sunday after the 2004 derby and it was City fans, unfortunately. Not me though!

I completely sympathise with what you’re saying but you ask some of the white kids from Wythenshawe, Everton, Middlesbrough (can’t remember the area off the top of my head), Galsgow (again can’t remember the name of the area) and the small Welsh towns which are all the white areas that are the most deprived areas in the country; and they’ll have targeted stop+search stories just because of where they come from.

Although while I think we are nothing like the US, and are one of the multiculturally open and safe countries in the world, there will still be some racist Police officers and some racism in the population in general, so I’m not saying it doesn’t go on. Just that we are nothing like the US.

It was Bar Med, back then.

So, yes, I agree it will happen to most cities with a low income demographic.

I'd like to think that we're talking about diverse cities and proportional issues.

 

[kaz7]

I don't go along with this is the best time in a long time , sadly this type of thing happens in the usa on a fairly regular basis , along with mass shootings. Now is not the time for the british to be mass gathering and spreading the pandemic.

A murder in full view of the world had enraged the black community,they have struggles we white people don't understand,like I say it is shit timing

 

[purplenose]

I don't doubt some crimes have gone unchecked. But you have to understand that disproportionately targeting a demographic to boost numbers will have a direct impact on when the job has to be done correctly.

They should hire more ethnically diverse police but, ironically, they haven't been successful because of the systemic racism directed at Black and Brown people within the system and on the streets.

When you burn bridges both ways, you're stuck with the problem of nowhere to go.

I dont disagree at all.

Is there more of a danger of a person in those communities being seen as a persona non grata should they join the Police? Is that part of the problem do the police get good quality applications in enough numbers, I honestly dont know but you may have some knowledge. At the end of the day you need Police whom people can relate too and rightly or wrongly that might mean someone of the same colour/religion/sex, thats just a fact i guess.

 

[Bigga]

They are demonstrating against oppression and abused based on their skin colour,what is going on in America has enraged them because they are them,it's complicated

We have racism in the police and media here

It's exactly that; complicated.

 

[Bigga]

I dont disagree at all.

Is there more of a danger of a person in those communities being seen as a persona non grata should they join the Police? Is that part of the problem do the police get good quality applications in enough numbers, I honestly dont know but you may have some knowledge. At the end of the day you need Police whom people can relate too and rightly or wrongly that might mean someone of the same colour/religion/sex, thats just a fact i guess.

I'll be honest, I flirted with the idea of joining the police. About 10 years ago they had a drive where they were happy to recruit ethnic people, even if they had a record( up to a certain type) and then I researched the ratio of Police to demographic. I wasn't surprised at what I found, but I was more bothered by the testimony of Black officers subjected to in-house racial comments and being forced to leave due to depression.

I'm not one to kowtow, so I don't think I would lasted long, at all...

 

[Deleted member 77198]

They are demonstrating against oppression and abused based on their skin colour,what is going on in America has enraged them because they are them,it's complicated

We have racism in the police and media here

A lot of the people marching here aren’t black though so it’s not that same complicated you’re talking about. For many, it’s jumping on a bandwagon because it’s something they can put on Instagram or to get them out of their house for a few hours.

Also people haven’t been bothered about, like I said a few pages ago, the treatment of black people in Indonesia or Yemen. No demonstrations for them over the years of truly horrendous treatment, or the countless other times it’s happened in the US.

But they bloody choose to do it now, right when the Covid R nudges above 1 in the North West.

It’s nothing but irresponsible timing. It didn’t have to be now, it could have been countless previous times or when this pandemic is over when it undoubtedly will happen again in some backwards racist place around the world.

 

[give it to gordon]

A murder in full view of the world had enraged the black community,they have struggles we white people don't understand,like I say it is shit timing

agree it has, but nothing we do in this country is going to change America , they love their guns etc. Our politicians just do what the Americans want us to do they don't listen to little old UK. These protesters are naïve if they think the usa are going to take notice of them, in the mean time the protesters risk putting lots of law abiding at risk from the virus, I don't think that is fair on us.

I have no wish to fall out with you karen7 , stay safe :)

 

[Bigga]

A lot of the people marching here aren’t black though so it’s not that same complicated you’re talking about. For many, it’s jumping on a bandwagon because it’s something they can put on Instagram or to get them out of their house for a few hours.

Also people haven’t been bothered about, like I said a few pages ago, the treatment of black people in Indonesia or Yemen. No demonstrations for them over the years of truly horrendous treatment, or the countless other times it’s happened in the US.

But they bloody choose to do it now, right when the Covid R nudges above 1 in the North West.

It’s nothing but irresponsible timing. It didn’t have to be now, it could have been countless previous times or when this pandemic is over when it undoubtedly will happen again in some backwards racist place around the world.

I continue to believe you don't understand.

What would be the point of Saudi Arabia complaining about China's slave labour problem/

If the UK stands in solidarity with the US in wanting to resolve the disparity of racism in the UK before it recognises anyone else, then what's the issue...?

Fix your own house first, right?

 

[kaz7]

agree it has, but nothing we do in this country is going to change America , they love their guns etc. Our politicians just do what the Americans want us to do they don't listen to little old UK. These protesters are naïve if they think the usa are going to take notice of them, in the mean time the protesters risk putting lots of law abiding at risk from the virus, I don't think that is fair on us.

I have no wish to fall out with you karen7 , stay safe :)

You too lovely :)

 

[domalino]

agree it has, but nothing we do in this country is going to change America , they love their guns etc. Our politicians just do what the Americans want us to do they don't listen to little old UK. These protesters are naïve if they think the usa are going to take notice of them, in the mean time the protesters risk putting lots of law abiding at risk from the virus, I don't think that is fair on us.

I have no wish to fall out with you karen7 , stay safe :)

I don't think people are marching in this country and all over to change things in America. Things aren't perfect in the UK either, and they want that to be known. BAME men are disproportionately arrested and more likely to be given a prison sentence for the same crime.

For example, a black young male is 10x more likely to be arrested for robbery than a white person, but prosecution and conviction rates are relatively equal. 4x more likely to be arrested for a sexual crime, but actually less likely to be prosecuted or convicted.


The marches have transcended george floyd and black deaths by police into a more general police protest IMO.

 

[kaz7]

A lot of the people marching here aren’t black though so it’s not that same complicated you’re talking about. For many, it’s jumping on a bandwagon because it’s something they can put on Instagram or to get them out of their house for a few hours.

Also people haven’t been bothered about, like I said a few pages ago, the treatment of black people in Indonesia or Yemen. No demonstrations for them over the years of truly horrendous treatment, or the countless other times it’s happened in the US.

But they bloody choose to do it now, right when the Covid R nudges above 1 in the North West.

It’s nothing but irresponsible timing. It didn’t have to be now, it could have been countless previous times or when this pandemic is over when it undoubtedly will happen again in some backwards racist place around the world.

I fully appreciate the worry about covid and that the R is creeping up in the north,i am not sure that they have much control over the timing though, i really hope that there isn't a spike ,it might be difficult to tell with the state of the woeful testing we have been doing,if the app had been up and running properly as promised we would get a better idea if these demonstrations will have caused a spike or not

 

[give it to gordon]

I don't think people are marching in this country and all over to change things in America. Things aren't perfect in the UK either. BAME men are disproportionately arrested and more likely to be given a prison sentence for the same crime.

For example, a black young male is 10x more likely to be arrested for robbery than a white person, but prosecution and conviction rates are relatively equal. 4x more likely to be arrested for a sexual crime, but actually less likely to be prosecuted or convicted.

ok I take you point, if this is a protest over what happens in the uk than why have they chose to protest in the middle of a pandemic ? That's a real kick in the teeth for the NHS and frontline staff who have been putting their lives on the line week after week. That makes this even worse than that they chose a pandemic to make their point.

 

[purplenose]

I'll be honest, I flirted with the idea of joining the police. About 10 years ago they had a drive where they were happy to recruit ethnic people, even if they had a record( up to a certain type) and then I researched the ratio of Police to demographic. I wasn't surprised at what I found, but I was more bothered by the testimony of Black officers subjected to in-house racial comments and being forced to leave due to depression.

I'm not one to kowtow, so I don't think I would lasted long, at all...

I would like to say that in the decade since you looked into it that things must have changed. I have not much faith in that having happened to be honest. I believe there are many problems in the Police force sadly and I dont think the public regardless of race have a huge amount of faith in them.

 

[ganganvince]

Kicking off in London now what a load off knobs

 

[domalino]

ok I take you point, if this is a protest over what happens in the uk than why have they chose to protest in the middle of a pandemic ? That's a real kick in the teeth for the NHS and frontline staff who have been putting their lives on the line week after week. That makes this even worse than that they chose a pandemic to make their point.

Its probably a pretty big kick int he teeth to be discriminated against your entire life too. You dont get to choose when people get fed up of it.Theres always going to be some one who finds it inconvenient.

The fact that BAME people are determined to protest despite being more likely to die from covid19 should tell you how serious an issue it is for them.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Its probably a pretty big kick int he teeth to be discriminated against your entire life too. You dont get to choose when people get fed up of it.Theres always going to be some one who finds it inconvenient.

The fact that BAME people are determined to protest despite being more likely to die from covid19 should tell you how serious an issue it is for them.

Can tell what other innocent lives in this country mean to them.