George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Grassland Blue said:
Allegedly this man George Floyd committed armed robbery in 1998
Between 2002-5 three convictions to do with cocaine.
2007 armed robbery of a pregnant woman in her own home.
When he was killed he was under the influence of crystal meth.
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So what's your point?

That what happened to him was okay?
 
Grassland Blue said:
Allegedly this man George Floyd committed armed robbery in 1998
Between 2002-5 three convictions to do with cocaine.
2007 armed robbery of a pregnant woman in her own home.
When he was killed he was under the influence of crystal meth.
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Seems that he may have been a wrong un, however no excuse for the end he met.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
People who claim that institutional racism isn't a big issue across British law enforcement don't have a clue what they're talking about.

There is an absolute shitload of publicly available information with irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

It's an issue which has been allowed to fester for a long, long time. The police were actually exempt from anti-discrimination legislation when the initial Race Relations Act was drafted in 1965. They were also exempt from the next two acts and it wasn't until 2000, in the wake of Stephen Lawrence's murder and the resulting MacPherson report, that legislation was ammended to put law enforcement under the same scrutiny. The report also explicitly stated that racism was a huge contributing factor to the bungling of the investigation and it wasn't for another thirteen years that two of the six killers were brought to justice.

Five years after MacPherson report, the BBC uncover extreme racism within the Greater Manchester Police through their documentary The Secret Policeman. Before the documentary could be released, undercover journalist Mark Daly was arrested and the GMP made predictable attempts to close ranks, discredit the investigation and press charges against Daly.

Since then, hundreds of studies have been conducted into the actions that the police have taken to both combat racism and educate their officers and the results are ultimately poor at best.

Two years ago, Gareth Wilson of the NPCC made public statements that institutional racism still plagues British policing and that most of forces aren't representative of the communities they supposedly serve.

Six days ago, before the protests in England start, former officer Kevin Maxwell (who served in both Manchester and London, has written a book about being pushed out of his career in 2012 and has taken the police to court over his treatment and their conduct), calls for Britain to also get their affairs in order off the back of George Floyd's murder.

2018 reports suggest that racial bias in the conduct of polive stop and search is getting worse.

Numerous reports and various statistical data over the last fifteen years also highlights the disparity between how different ethnic groups have their DNA stockpiled, how officers are recruited and the number of deaths in custody.

I'd love to bore people to death with more info but I'm running out of time and need to make dinner. As I said, this information is all publicly available.

There has been a culture of institutional racism within the British police for hundreds of years, even after the wider world started to take legal steps to prevent it.

The sad truth is that, in my opinion, one of the main contributing factors in allowing this culture to thrive is that huge sections of the public are either apathetic or in disbelief of the facts when the information manages to make it into the public eye.

There's too much denial and there's far too much defensiveness when the subject of racial prejudice in the UK is brought up.

People need to grow up and not act so offended when others want to highlight a very real issue which is still current and damages the lives of so many. Even if those lives aren't theirs.
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A superb write up, mate. Just brilliant!

Even at my age, no longer having close ties to the streets, I feel nothing's changed that much.
 
Sadly, as with any well-intentioned protest, you're always going to get the idiots that want more, more chaos, more violence, more destruction.

Hopefully most decent people can see through this and see the message that has been put out there this week.

That said, Edward Colston did some despicable things in his life time and deserves no place in modern society, especially in a public space. The council should have removed that statue a long time ago.
 
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Watching 13th on Netflix and I am gobsmacked.

A real eye opener and education of a system that is basically enslaving blacks and Hispanics via the back door.
 
Grassland Blue said:
Allegedly this man George Floyd committed armed robbery in 1998
Between 2002-5 three convictions to do with cocaine.
2007 armed robbery of a pregnant woman in her own home.
When he was killed he was under the influence of crystal meth.
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You're focused on the one man. Whilst his past is NOT great, his being 'high' at the time doesn't mean he deserved to executed like many others.

What was EMT Breonna Taylor's crime to deserve her death? Ahmaud Arbery's? Tamir Rice's? Eric garner's? Alton Sterling's?

Would you me to list the official names for you...?
 
Tugay One Cup said:
People who claim that institutional racism isn't a big issue across British law enforcement don't have a clue what they're talking about.

There is an absolute shitload of publicly available information with irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

It's an issue which has been allowed to fester for a long, long time. The police were actually exempt from anti-discrimination legislation when the initial Race Relations Act was drafted in 1965. They were also exempt from the next two acts and it wasn't until 2000, in the wake of Stephen Lawrence's murder and the resulting MacPherson report, that legislation was ammended to put law enforcement under the same scrutiny. The report also explicitly stated that racism was a huge contributing factor to the bungling of the investigation and it wasn't for another thirteen years that two of the six killers were brought to justice.

Five years after MacPherson report, the BBC uncover extreme racism within the Greater Manchester Police through their documentary The Secret Policeman. Before the documentary could be released, undercover journalist Mark Daly was arrested and the GMP made predictable attempts to close ranks, discredit the investigation and press charges against Daly.

Since then, hundreds of studies have been conducted into the actions that the police have taken to both combat racism and educate their officers and the results are ultimately poor at best.

Two years ago, Gareth Wilson of the NPCC made public statements that institutional racism still plagues British policing and that most of forces aren't representative of the communities they supposedly serve.

Six days ago, before the protests in England start, former officer Kevin Maxwell (who served in both Manchester and London, has written a book about being pushed out of his career in 2012 and has taken the police to court over his treatment and their conduct), calls for Britain to also get their affairs in order off the back of George Floyd's murder.

2018 reports suggest that racial bias in the conduct of polive stop and search is getting worse.

Numerous reports and various statistical data over the last fifteen years also highlights the disparity between how different ethnic groups have their DNA stockpiled, how officers are recruited and the number of deaths in custody.

I'd love to bore people to death with more info but I'm running out of time and need to make dinner. As I said, this information is all publicly available.

There has been a culture of institutional racism within the British police for hundreds of years, even after the wider world started to take legal steps to prevent it.

The sad truth is that, in my opinion, one of the main contributing factors in allowing this culture to thrive is that huge sections of the public are either apathetic or in disbelief of the facts when the information manages to make it into the public eye.

There's too much denial and there's far too much defensiveness when the subject of racial prejudice in the UK is brought up.

People need to grow up and not act so offended when others want to highlight a very real issue which is still current and damages the lives of so many. Even if those lives aren't theirs.
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The people who act offended and are in denial probably live in leafy suburbia and not only have never seen racism but have very limited contacts with Bame people. I remember years ago we had a young black guy start work and he got teased relentlessly. I volunteered to show him the ropes and train him but he didn't last too long. He was a lovely bloke and I fear little has changed with some people's attitude since then, the late 80s
 
Bigga said:
The copper mentions the word "Black" about 6/ 7 times in his self defence for pulling the dude over, right?

Or am I deaf...??
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Yep - black and dealing drugs. But to some that doesn't mean he equates one with the other as a matter of course. Its exactly why what is going on is happening - creating excuses for it or saying nothing is condoning continued racism. I have relatives and friends who are in the BAME community and hear their reports all the time.
 
Bigga said:
Well, it sounded like your kind of rant...
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what are you suggesting Bigga? I fully support BLM and personally think we have massive issues with institutional racism in the UK. Only thing I question is the mass gathering during a pandemic.

Anyway I hope you are keeping safe and well mate. Despite our occasional differences I always respected the fact you didn’t hide behind a username and were willing to make yourself known to me at footy etc.
 
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