UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[remember arthur mann]

The banner should say:-

"The Dirty Eight
(Names)
Never Forgiven"

Need to dig up 4 more.

 

[meltonblue]

This is one aspect of the fiasco that I shan't forget. I expect those clubs will have it rammed down their gullets when they next turn up at The Etihad - so much for the 'football family'. Not a single favour, nor a shred of hospitality should be offered to those eight clubs. They have nailed their colours to the Rag/Dipper mast, and we know now where they stand!

The football family has always been a myth when there’s been perceived wrongdoing.

 

[KS55]

The football family has always been a myth when there’s been perceived wrongdoing.

"Keep it in the family" Ryan Wilson.

 

[JASR]

Getting this in now, when they make a film of this showdown, I think Micheal Pena (collateral beauty) should play one of the protagonists

 

[petrusha]

Be interesting to hear your thoughts from a legal perspective on the following:

...

1. If City provide evidence to CAS that ADEC provided the Etihad funding, would that prejudice the Open Skies case?

2. Could City gain any legal guarantees from UEFA that they will not leak evidence from the CAS trial to the press?

3. If UEFA prove that City did not engage properly in the initial investigation, will City’s argument that they had no faith in the process be a legitimate defence?

My concern is, particularly on point 3, that if City deliberately didn’t engage in the process, does that not mean we will be found guilty anyway?

A good example is being convicted of failing a drugs test because you refused to give a sample.

The thread's moved on a long way now, and I was waylaid with work stuff, but just a quick response to these.

As I understand, Etihad and Emirates came to an agreement with the US government a couple of years ago that they'd produce accounts audited to international standards and make them available to the US regulators. I stand to be corrected, but this would seem to make the Open Skies issue and the prospect of relevant information being leaked less of an awkward one for Abu Dhabi than it otherwise might be.

In terms of the non-cooperation issue, there's a difference of opinion here. City claim they supplied a large body of documents and evidence in support of the case, yet UEFA found the club guilty of a failure to cooperate. Presumably, then, they asked for materials in addition to our submissions that we refused to supply on the grounds that the submissions contain all relevant information. I think the question for CAS will be whether our submissions were sufficient for UEFA adequately to dispose of the matter at hand or whether it was reasonable for them to ask for whatever extra stuff they wanted. Hard for anyone on here to express a view without having more detail available to us.

We are well and truly in the **** in the court of public opinion had talk sport on multiple ex managers and players talking of everyone leaving managers players. Then Rob Harris comes on and says we are trying to get off on a technicality of the emails being stolen

If Harris says that, he's talking bollocks. There's a publicly available ruling from the first CAS City/UEFA case in which some of City's likely arguments for this time are rehearsed and Stefan wrote an excellent blog about this for 9320. They include such matters as UEFA being out of time and them not having sufficient cause to reopen a settlement agreement covering issues arising during the period in question. If Harris is this clueless when a big part of the answer is in the public domain, it raises the question of whether he's just lazy and stupid or whether he's getting it wrong deliberately.

Possibly the most risible thing about coverage like this is that it comes at time when the United States is on its arse because of a culture of unaccountable lying from people in positions of power.

It staggers me that Panja is such a **** that even though it has been pointed out time and time again to him the difference between the two cases he hasn't bothered to correct himself. He is of course happy to reply to his arse licking colleagues who are rimming him for his hot take.

Shows once again that the New York Times football writing is being driven by a xenophobic agenda against Arab ownership.

Agree with every word of this.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

I tried to read all those pages from UEFA a couple of pages back and gave up after I read the threatening nasty piece of work sent to us from UEFA it’s incredible that we find ourselves in this position.

most of it because we tried to grow the club just like all the other team’s who reached the top did. I don’t know if I can get through the next few days but regardless of what happens I’ll be supporting us after all this.

 

[Ballosteve]

Just a quick question on procedure of the appeal.....is it like a court case where the prosecution go first (uefa) and defence second or is it totally different set up ?....cheers

 

[tonea2003]

Worse than watching City on teletext.

or this

 

[Sir peace frog]

or this

haha that was brilliant back in the day

 

[chesterbells]

This is one aspect of the fiasco that I shan't forget. I expect those clubs will have it rammed down their gullets when they next turn up at The Etihad - so much for the 'football family'. Not a single favour, nor a shred of hospitality should be offered to those eight clubs. They have nailed their colours to the Rag/Dipper mast, and we know now where they stand!

Who were the hateful 8 ?

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Fuck me. That's a long walk.


Absolutely it is. There's this almost apocalyptic view of this as City v UEFA/FFP. It's like someone contesting a parking fine and it being made out as though it's an attempt to overturn the rules about, or whole notion of, parking restrictions.

I have no idea whether it's just people who have no fucking clue what they're talking about or a clever attempt to somehow influence the agenda around this, like Baconface's famous 'mind games'. I've astrong suspicion that it's the former though.

I think the days of limits on owner investment are numbered because, increasingly there seems no justification for it apart from the history and tradition clubs have of trying to stuff their rivals by fair means or foul, but more especially football is going to emerge from the pandemic with its finances even more depressing than before. Our 'istry boys are going to have to add at least one nought to their debt and the only answer is for their owners to express their deep love of, and commitment to their club by dipping their hands in their pockets. It seems even UEFA and Wenger can see this. All they need is a scapegoat. And who better than Sheikh Mansour, whose money has already ruined football, to take the rap for ruining a magnificent system to protect every clubs financial stability by producing a pack of lies in court to "get away with it" and overthrow FFP. No need to mention the word "innocent".

I'm sure they've got this line ready at the NYT.

 

[nmc]

I think the days of limits on owner investment are numbered because, increasingly there seems no justification for it apart from the history and tradition clubs have of trying to stuff their rivals by fair means or foul, but more especially football is going to emerge from the pandemic with its finances even more depressing than before. Our 'istry boys are going to have to add at least one nought to their debt and the only answer is for their owners to express their deep love of, and commitment to their club by dipping their hands in their pockets. It seems even UEFA and Wenger can see this. All they need is a scapegoat. And who better than Sheikh Mansour, whose money has already ruined football, to take the rap for ruining a magnificent system to protect every clubs financial stability by producing a pack of lies in court to "get away with it" and overthrow FFP. No need to mention the word "innocent".

I'm sure they've got this line ready at the NYT.

I wouldn’t be so sure. It’s clear United and Liverpool’s owners have no intention of putting cash injections into their clubs from their own resources - so I think they’ll continue to block others doing it and continue to saddle their own clubs with debt. United are clearly still taking on more debt and paying dividends to the owner.

 

[Chris in London]

If Harris is this clueless when a big part of the answer is in the public domain, it raises the question of whether he's just lazy and stupid or whether he's getting it wrong deliberately.

You seem to be suggesting those two possibilities can only operate as alternatives, Mr Petrusha. I confess I would need some persuading that the answer is not both.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

If (a huge if) we achieved a stunning victory and UEFA is totally routed leading to the collapse of FFP would Sheikh Mansour pour in huge sums to bring in players such as Mbappe for instance?

I highly doubt it as he has finished the investment phase and now he is looking for organic growth.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Who were the hateful 8 ?

The current PL top 10, bar City and Sheffield Utd.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

You'd think readers of the New York Times had bigger fish to fry right now....like wondering when bunker boy is going to declare war on China or if the countries about to explode into mass race riots, if the Police force is about to be defunded, if budget cuts to the whole of the civic infrastructure is about to happen causing the it to crumble due to lack of Federal support or the next 30's like depression is about to fall etc etc rather than to be worrying about likkle ol Manchester City and what we did or didn't do in 2012.

Anyway end of day one, both parties retired to their corners to lick wounds, slap on the swelling iron and apply vaseline and cold water ready to come out fighting for round 2. Pity we don't know what went on.....

 

[citytill1die84]

If (a huge if) we achieved a stunning victory and UEFA is totally routed leading to the collapse of FFP would Sheikh Mansour pour in huge sums to bring in players such as Mbappe for instance?

I highly doubt it as he has finished the investment phase and now he is looking for organic growth.

If we managed to collapse FFP why would PSG sell Mbappe?

 

[BringBackSwales]

If (a huge if) we achieved a stunning victory and UEFA is totally routed leading to the collapse of FFP would Sheikh Mansour pour in huge sums to bring in players such as Mbappe for instance?

I highly doubt it as he has finished the investment phase and now he is looking for organic growth.

I didn’t think our appeal was that FFP was wrong, I thought it was that we had not breached FFP? That being the case I’m not sure that a successful appeal would bring FFP down?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You seem to be suggesting those two possibilities can only operate as alternatives, Mr Petrusha. I confess I would need some persuading that the answer is not both.

I am persuaded by your submissions.

 

[hihosilva]

I didn’t think our appeal was that FFP was wrong, I thought it was that we had not breached FFP? That being the case I’m not sure that a successful appeal would bring FFP down?

This is what i posted earlier. Lots of journos making out its City v ffp. All City are doing is appealing a ban for breach of rules.