UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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IcriedwhenTueartleft said:
This is all making me very nervous, there is a lot riding on the outcome of this. It's odd the contrast between the confidence of City and us supporters with everyone else, I don't hear many from outside of this club who think we are going to win this. All the non-City sources seem to think we are going to lose, or should that be "hope" we are going to lose.
I've listened to the 93.20 podcasts with Stefan and indeed, re-listened to them today. His thoughts are very interesting, his main concern seems to be the weight & experience of the UEFA lawyer(s) and his surprise that they are still going ahead with the ban etc when it seems quite clear they are time-barred and prevented from doing so by their own final settlement with City previously.
it would be so wonderful to win this and be able to seriously stick two fingers up at a lot of people who have been slaughtering us down the years.
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Good post and I cried too.
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
The main offender today was Philippe Auclair.

I saw your comments about Rob Harris and Auclair was mild in comparison.

Rob Harris on Talksport (Natalie Sawyer show, last 10 minutes of the 10.00-10.30 segment) I don't ever listen to Talksport for the usual reasons but wanted to check what Harris had to say. It was bad.

"The case is about city trying to show the (UEFA) evidence is inadmissible. City say it is based on hacked or stolen information, documents published by der spiegel 18 months or so ago. It is about City trying to say you can't use this information because it wasn't legally gained. But other cases in Switzerland and CAS have said it is allowed to use such information and recordings.

City were previously sanctioned by Uefa six years ago for FFP breaches. That was overstating the source of revenue from sponsorship linked to their Abu Dhabi ownership. This is not retrying that case. It is new evidence around that and the suggestion that Manchester city actually were misleading or deceiving UEFA for a longer period of time over the true source of the sponsorship income. Some of it was allegedly linked back to the Abu Dhabi ownership, other companies in Abu Dhabi and the money was being channelled around and that led to the income being overstated.

There was significant evidence published by der Speigel showing internal Manchester city correspondence discussing this attempt to circumvent FFP. Manchester city have never disputed the authenticity of this documentation and they are trying to say it is out of context and should not even be considered because of the illegality of how it was obtained. But there is a pretty extensive amount of detail there of how city were trying to artificially raise their revenue because under FFP you are only permitted to make €30 million losses over three years and you need to be able to generate the money yourself".
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Thanks for the clarification. That's an outrageous account given information in the public domain. I doubt that, if City prevail in the current proceedings, we'll end up going after individual journalists but part of me hopes we confound my expectations. A biased twat like that who presents himself as an expert absent any serious qualifications to do so should really be taught a lesson.
 
IcriedwhenTueartleft said:
This is all making me very nervous, there is a lot riding on the outcome of this. It's odd the contrast between the confidence of City and us supporters with everyone else, I don't hear many from outside of this club who think we are going to win this. All the non-City sources seem to think we are going to lose, or should that be "hope" we are going to lose.
I've listened to the 93.20 podcasts with Stefan and indeed, re-listened to them today. His thoughts are very interesting, his main concern seems to be the weight & experience of the UEFA lawyer(s) and his surprise that they are still going ahead with the ban etc when it seems quite clear they are time-barred and prevented from doing so by their own final settlement with City previously.
it would be so wonderful to win this and be able to seriously stick two fingers up at a lot of people who have been slaughtering us down the years.
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Like yourself, I am very nervous. Outside of City I have not come across anybody who thinks we will win. Whoever loses this case their reputation and image will be in tatters and I am just praying we are victorious.
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
The main offender today was Philippe Auclair.

I saw your comments about Rob Harris and Auclair was mild in comparison.

Rob Harris on Talksport (Natalie Sawyer show, last 10 minutes of the 10.00-10.30 segment) I don't ever listen to Talksport for the usual reasons but wanted to check what Harris had to say. It was bad.

"The case is about city trying to show the (UEFA) evidence is inadmissible. City say it is based on hacked or stolen information, documents published by der spiegel 18 months or so ago. It is about City trying to say you can't use this information because it wasn't legally gained. But other cases in Switzerland and CAS have said it is allowed to use such information and recordings.

City were previously sanctioned by Uefa six years ago for FFP breaches. That was overstating the source of revenue from sponsorship linked to their Abu Dhabi ownership. This is not retrying that case. It is new evidence around that and the suggestion that Manchester city actually were misleading or deceiving UEFA for a longer period of time over the true source of the sponsorship income. Some of it was allegedly linked back to the Abu Dhabi ownership, other companies in Abu Dhabi and the money was being channelled around and that led to the income being overstated.

There was significant evidence published by der Speigel showing internal Manchester city correspondence discussing this attempt to circumvent FFP. Manchester city have never disputed the authenticity of this documentation and they are trying to say it is out of context and should not even be considered because of the illegality of how it was obtained. But there is a pretty extensive amount of detail there of how city were trying to artificially raise their revenue because under FFP you are only permitted to make €30 million losses over three years and you need to be able to generate the money yourself".
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Oh, so City have shared the details of the case with him? Has he got a live feed to the hearing or something?

The intricacies of this case represent a complex tapestry of written evidence, alleged procedural failings and forensic accounting amongst other things. What this "journalist" has done is reduce the whole thing to a digestible mush so that he and those of a similarly low IQ can understand it. It's really about time TalkSport listeners faced the same extent of ridicule as Sun readers or Trump supporters if this is the calibre of the output from that station. If Natalie Sawyer had anything about her then she'd have said "Manchester City have maintained a silence on the particulars of this case. How is it possible that you know the thrust of their arguments?" Whilst regular journalists are often grilled on televised debates, sports journalists are rarely called to account. Weak interrogation leads to weak journalism. No interrogation leads to partisan, misinformed, low-quality tripe.
 
Withnail said:
Like yourself, I am very nervous. Outside of City I have not come across anybody who thinks we will win. Whoever loses this case their reputation and image will be in tatters and I am just praying we are victorious.
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If/when UEFA lose they will have a fall guy and the institution will carry on regardless

When we win, we'll still be tarnished with being dirty oil cheats
 
This lack of progress updates or news is not helping. Can we deploy @citykev28 on site to report from the scene?
 
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