UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Great to hear (especially with things at home). Take care bud and let's hope we all come through Covid/CAS with lots to celebrate. Pints in the Claremont :-)

Fuck that - they would leave me for dead in the Claremont these days. I'd have to go in with a mate from Great Western Street to vouch for me now!!

I don't get that at the Con Club in Alty ;)

 

[staffsblue]

if you were in stoke in a pub and was asked who do you support and you answered city,what stoke ? , no
Manchester City or Man City ?

I refer to the team I support as either City or Manchester City. The "MAN" abbreviation is only there to make rag nursery rhymes work, and identified by their fans as the 3 letter code for both Ringway Airport & Piccadilly stations where the majority of their home support travel through, the former from Ireland, the States & the Far East, and the latter from London & the South East.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Have you had/likely to have the opportunity to gauge the feeling in the City camp?

Hoping to hear even a smidgeon of an update before weekend.

 

[andyhinch]

Fuck that - they would leave me for dead in the Claremont these days. I'd have to go in with a mate from Great Western Street to vouch for me now!!

I don't get that at the Con Club in Alty ;)

Take Rascal in with you next time you might not be made quite so welcome ;-)

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I refer to the team I support as either City or Manchester City. The "MAN" abbreviation is only there to make rag nursery rhymes work, and identified by their fans as the 3 letter code for both Ringway Airport & Piccadilly stations where the majority of their home support travel through, the former from Ireland, the States & the Far East, and the latter from London & the South East.

We're Manchester City. The Rags are Man Utd as they aren't in Manchester and don't merit the full title. As they've nicked the full name we have to put up with the abbreviation.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

The club has had 10 years to challenge FFP's legality under european law. 4 years before the initial breach, and 6 years since. We know they arent shy of litigation, we know they will gladly assemble a monstrous team of lawyers to fight for them.

They havent done so because the dont want to get rid of FFP.

Some fans need to accept this.

It's a theory. There's evidence to support it but there's some to contradict it - Khaldoon's claim that he's prepared to tie UEFA up in court for ten years for example.

 

[Tb1981]

Hoping to hear even a smidgeon of an update before weekend.

Any idea how badly the wait for the verdict will affect transfer business or is the fact the season now ends in August (champions league etc) the main issue?

Can messi wait that long?

 

[johnmcfcagain]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least two popular chants that use the abbreviation 'Man' in relation to City and one derogatory aimed at the Rags that uses the abbreviation. I don't really understand the opposition to it.

 

[domalino]

It's a theory. There's evidence to support it but there's some to contradict it - Khaldoon's claim that he's prepared to tie UEFA up in court for ten years for example.

Sorry but that's not evidence to contradict it at all. Think through what you're saying. You've seen an email bragging about how litigious Khaldoon is, and you think it's proof he wouldn't use lawyers to get rid of FFP if he wanted to?


Manchester City don't want to get rid of FFP, and the only evidence you need to know that's true is the fact they've taken absolutely no steps to get rid of it, despite it ostensibly being a massive thorn in our side for a decade.

What they want is what every big club wants, to have enough revenue that FFP doesn't restrict them, while making future takeovers like ours by the Saudi's or Chinese or any other mega-billionaire completely unattractive through making it a 10+ year slog to get anywhere near the top.

We currently have 1 serious rival in the country. United are in stasis, Chelsea faltering after the government crackdown on Abramovic, Arsenal are sinking and Spurs are broke. The last thing ADUG want is FFP to be killed and more well run, infinitely wealthy clubs popping up to get into an arms race with.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Cheers. Ultimately, the stakes are so high for the club, I struggle to believe they would spin the wheel at CAS without a high level of confidence. My concern on the flip side remains that there is never a certainty in any hearing...

Was this a new podcast Stefan or was it an archive retrieval of the superb ones you did last year?

 

[blueparrot]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least two popular chants that use the abbreviation 'Man' in relation to City and one derogatory aimed at the Rags that uses the abbreviation. I don't really understand the opposition to it.

Sure it was used all the time when I was growing up back in the 70s and 80s without anyone making anything of it, still use it sometimes.

 

[domalino]

Was this a new podcast Stefan or was it an archive retrieval of the superb ones you did last year?

It was a new one released yesterday with Lloyd. I'd recommend it, it was just as good as the previous 2.

 

[slbsn]

Was this a new podcast Stefan or was it an archive retrieval of the superb ones you did last year?

Its a Q&A - free on the 9320 Friday Show feed on itunes, Spotify etc and in full on the 9320 Player
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1C3igVsxhynUnpKc1rGrXZ?si=37gU55yQQlmRuqOzhftysQ

 

[Gary James]

Sure it was used all the time when I was growing up back in the 70s and 80s without anyone making anything of it, still use it sometimes.

It's one of those things that divides opinion. I remember Keegan being told off by Dave Wallace for saying Man City when he arrived as manager but, as you say, when I was a kid in the 70s I knew lots of people who talked of supporting 'Man City' and it wasn't seen as an issue by many of us at the time. Maybe 40+ years from now we'll all be talking about Citizens/Cityzens and saying it's not appropriate or something we use in every day speech while future generations may actually love it and use it all the time. There's probably someone somewhere who wishes we were still nicknamed 'The Cits'. These things come in and out of fashion (though I doubt Cits will ever come back).

 

[levets]

if you were in stoke in a pub and was asked who do you support and you answered city,what stoke ? , no
Manchester City or Man City ?

I say there’s only one City

 

[City Man]

I'm not sure our recruitment has been so severely disrupted. There hasn't been a transfer window since UEFA's verdict and there won't be one before the CAS verdict.

Reputational damage is also short-lived in football, particularly if we get our way. The Silver Lake investment is a good example. The timing of that investment appears exceptionally risky. Given the scale of it, due diligence would have unquestionably explored the matter of our FFP investigation but it nevertheless happened.

Agree and we need to to keep a sense of perspective about this. Taking the big picture - if UEFA and the "cartel" think that winning this case is going preserve the status quo, then they have the mentality of Canute on steroids. How the hell they think they can hang on to their archaic cosy club in the face of, particularly, Middle Eastern encroachment with those countries' powerful socio-political and economic agendas in a globalised world is beyond me. They make the Luddites seem cutting-edge entrepreneurs by comparison. (Watch out, lads, Newcastle are up next and you should be really afraid of them realising their potential). My guess is that, in ten years' time, football history will look back on City's problems as part of the evolution from an outmoded, protectionist structure characterised by an old guard of long-established clubs running a puppet governance vehicle to a new structure recognising a much-changed world.

As for reputational damage, I agree with you that it pretty soon becomes yesterday's chip papers. Football fans get swept up in the excitement and issues of the current campaigns they are involved in - they don't sit and have beard tugging philosophical discussions in pubs about another club's moral behaviour (unless I'm going to the wrong pubs).

 

[HelloCity]

Posted a couple of days ago but listening to Soriano talk about the case always makes me feel a bit better.

 

[levets]

It's one of those things that divides opinion. I remember Keegan being told off by Dave Wallace for saying Man City when he arrived as manager but, as you say, when I was a kid in the 70s I knew lots of people who talked of supporting 'Man City' and it wasn't seen as an issue by many of us at the time. Maybe 40+ years from now we'll all be talking about Citizens/Cityzens and saying it's not appropriate or something we use in every day speech while future generations may actually love it and use it all the time. There's probably someone somewhere who wishes we were still nicknamed 'The Cits'. These things come in and out of fashion (though I doubt Cits will ever come back).

Never Cityzens

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Rick Parry.Qatar security consultant ? Really ? How did he miss the biggest crime !

Who was the losing candidate?

 

[levets]

Lyrics to make a song rhyme better seems rather different to continually hear the club referred to as 'Man City' as they do on radio, sometimes three or four times by the same person in the space of a minute. Surely it's easier to just say 'City' when everyone is aware they are not referring to Norwich or Leicester.

I always refer to us as City. Worth mentioning that the club also refer to themselves as Man City... www.mancity.com