George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[kaz7]

Has Diane Abbott condemned the attack on the police the other day in her constituency yet?
Therein lies the problem in politics at the moment
Certain mps will only criticise certain people and not say a word about others
It’s not hard to say
I don’t like racists and I don’t like people who attack the police
I also don’t like racist police officers

And there she is,what kept you

 

[BlueHammer85]

Because then they will be called racist

They are burying their heads hoping it will die down
Not a great approach but not sure there is much they can do
I think if it gets too violent and more things damaged etc then public opinion will turn and they will do something
But for the moment nothing

Some people will try to provoke a reaction to them compare police with America

True

 

[Ban-jani]

That’s where I make distinctions between BLM and random arseholes getting involved with BLM.

This isn’t one group of people out protesting for equality, Antifa are always there somewhere with their grubby fucking noses being stuck in so they can stir up some trouble.

They have nowt to do with BLM but I’ll bet they’ve been on every march.

It’s certainly a complex issue but I do think BLM seriously need to get their act together.

They were seen as a bit of a joke in the US until the George Floyd murder, where they’ve now got the mainstream on their side but they’re not using it very well.

Their demands in the US have moved from taking money from the police to invest in infrastructure for poor black kids - fair enough right? - well it’s now that they won’t give in until there are no police, they want the whole force decommissioned, which won’t win them support and obviously cannot and shouldn’t be met as a demand.

Over here the only thing I’ve heard them demand, other than a vague “equality” with no detail, is they want statues taken down, not just of slave traders but seemingly anyone that might have been a bit racist... when racism was the norm.

I still haven’t heard a proper argument from them to make real change in the UK to help black kids.

I want to support them, I want them to make a positive change but I’m not hearing an argument, it’s a really odd situation where the country is asking them what they want and they don’t really know.

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

So looking into it further the German arm of Coca Cola made it for the Nazis as the US’s trade embargo made it impossible for Coca Cola to get ingredients out to their German colleagues.

German arm of Coca cola?????


they invented fanta so they would be seen not to have a direct connection with selling Cola to nazi`s........ cola kept selling to nazi`s via fanta.

 

[PrestwichBlue2]

HAHAHAHAHAHA, the Daily Mail haven't got a fucking clue. Its an Anarchist sign.

The world has gone nuts when anti fascists are seen as the enemy, only fascists see ANTIFA as the enemy.

Ronald Reagan once said "in the future those posing as anti fascists will be the real fascists".

The DM is a rag I agree but Antifa have some very extreme views such as deconstructing capitalism and replacing it with the communist utopia. Not sure about you bud but I would prefer to live under a capitalistic system with the many faults it has rather than the alternative.

 

[PrestwichBlue2]

It’s certainly a complex issue but I do think BLM seriously need to get their act together.

They were seen as a bit of a joke in the US until the George Floyd murder, where they’ve now got the mainstream on their side but they’re not using it very well.

Their demands in the US have moved from taking money from the police to invest in infrastructure for poor black kids - fair enough right? - well it’s now that they won’t give in until there are no police, they want the whole force decommissioned, which won’t win them support and obviously cannot and shouldn’t be met as a demand.

Over here the only thing I’ve heard them demand, other than a vague “equality” with no detail, is they want statues taken down, not just of slave traders but seemingly anyone that might have been a bit racist... when racism was the norm.

I still haven’t heard a proper argument from them to make real change in the UK to help black kids.

I want to support them, I want them to make a positive change but I’m not hearing an argument, it’s a really odd situation where the country is asking them what they want and they don’t really know.

I can't wait for them to find out that the Prophet Mohammed took thousands of slaves, including sex slaves, after his various military conquests in modern day Saudi Arabia. As all mosques are in tribute to Mohammed will BLM be calling for them to be torn down?

 

[Tb1981]

And there she is,what kept you

Ignored the point again I see!
Same applies to any constituency, this just happens to be hers

 

[manclad]

Probably Stalingrad and the Kursk salient were the turning points in the European sphere, Midway in the Pacific. El Alamein in Africa was also important as that led eventually to the invasion of Italy.

Without these i would argue D-Day would not have happened when it did.

I am not saying Churchill wasn't important, i am saying his importance is exaggerated because of the way history is taught in the UK. We have a romantic view of history that has led to myths being formed and idolatary is a dangerous weapon exploited by the far right. If history is to be taught then teach it properly so that people can understand the role of Churchill warts and all, why his failures like Gallopili and Narvik, his past as a an officer in the Boer war, his experinces in the Anglo sudan and Indian confrontations all moulded him as a man. Then people can make a proper value judgement on him as an historical figure. Knowing he led the UK in WW2 is only a small part of his story, he was a man who divided the nation, he sent troops against people on strike for instance. Both my grandads who were from very different social and political backgrounds hated him. One of my grandads was a desert rat and he thought Churchill was a butcher. my other grandad was one of the very few who was too young to fight in WW1 and too old to fight in WW2 and he hated Churchill because he was a Tory and he hated all the Tories.

If we taught history properly then people would understand or maybe at least have a better understanding of his relevance, yes he was a great man who led us through the darkest times, but he was inherently flawed and if people knew about his flaws then they may accept the good he did more readily as it would be in context.

Its this romantic notion of British Imperialism that is being questioned at the moment, we are a country used to being seen and acting as we are exceptional, that for me is the crux of the matter. We have these myths we rely on to still claim the Great is in Britain and everything indicates that is false, we are still a good country, which enjoys a privileged and decent standing in the world but we are not the country of historical myth.

Sorry Rascal, but as this post is dealing in facts and not fiction,I have to let you know that Churchill was not an officer in The British Army during The 2nd Boer War,he was a correspondent for The Daily Mail(Your favourite paper).

 

[Tb1981]

And there she is,what kept you

To be honnest I was hoping someone would say that she has condemned it and shut my point down

 

[manclad]

MLK is in my top 3 hero’s of all time, as well as Jesus and David Silva.

Even reading a little about him will make anyone realise that he’d be totally against that and any vandalism or violence whatsoever.

His movement was so effective because they were so peaceful and dignified and showed themselves to be infinitely more civilised than the horrible white cops and racists in the south who attacked them.

That’s what got the nation on side, not vandalising war memorials with “fuck white people”.

David Silva is a latter day incarnation of Jesus, so are counted as 1 hero only. You need to add another BJ.

 

[Ban-jani]

David Silva is a latter day incarnation of Jesus, so are counted as 1 hero only. You need to add another BJ.

I’ll choose @gordondaviesmoustache then.

 

[mexico1970]

Sorry Rascal, but as this post is dealing in facts and not fiction,I have to let you know that Churchill was not an officer in The British Army during The 2nd Boer War,he was a correspondent for The Daily Mail(Your favourite paper).

Paid his own way bought his own Horse etc, cited as "Looking for adventure".

 

[kaz7]

Ignored the point again I see!
Same applies to any constituency, this just happens to be hers

Me ignoring points,you can't see boris for what he is and he is the pm,she gets brought up whatever the political thread it might be

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Ronald Reagan once said "in the future those posing as anti fascists will be the real fascists".

The DM is a rag I agree but Antifa have some very extreme views such as deconstructing capitalism and replacing it with the communist utopia. Not sure about you bud but I would prefer to live under a capitalistic system with the many faults it has rather than the alternative.

Antifa don’t want certain factions of society, whose views they oppose, to be allowed to be heard. Censoring freedom of expression, in essence, is Fascist but is an Antifa view.

And I think there should be a distinction between calling Antifa anti-fascists and everyone who isn’t a fascist being anti-fascist.

I’m anti-fascist but I’m not Antifa.

I think Antifa like to make their stance look like they’re this group of the people. But Antifa aren’t that, they are an extremist group of anarchists who are anti-capitalist, anti-liberal, anti-conservative, even anti- some forms of socialism because they aren’t extreme enough.

 

[manclad]

Paid his own way bought his own Horse etc, cited as "Looking for adventure".

So you watched Young Winston as well a few weeks ago!!!

 

[PrestwichBlue2]

Antifa also don’t want certain factions of society, whose views they oppose, to be heard. Censoring freedom of expression, in essence, is Fascist but is an Antifa view.

And I think there should be a distinction between calling Antifa anti-fascists and everyone who isn’t a fascist being anti-fascist.

I’m anti-fascist but I’m not Antifa.

I think Antifa like to make their stance look like they’re this group of the people. But Antifa aren’t that, they are an extremist group of anarchists who are anti-capitalist, anti-liberal, anti-conservative, even anti- some forms of socialism because it isn’t extreme enough.

I believe most of the uk is anti fascist including myself. Antifa seem to have latched onto the BLM movement and I don't believe that will do anything other than be detrimental to BLM.

 

[kaz7]

This is what pisses people off

Suffolk Police have apologised after two officers stopped a black couple and demanded ID because they were "driving a motor vehicle on a road".

In footage of the incident, which occurred in Ipswich on Tuesday, an officer apparently accuses the couple of "jumping on the bandwagon" of the Black Lives Matter protests

In an apparent reference to the Black Lives Matter movement, the female officer tells them: "You have turned something irate that shouldn't be. You are just jumping on the bandwagon of the current climate."

The male officer then tells Mr Oniyoke and Mrs Antoine-Oniyoke "you look suspicious

https://news.sky.com/story/ipswich-...-on-bandwagon-of-black-lives-matters-12005101

 

[kaz7]

Violent protesters could be jailed within 24 hours under government plans to fast-track cases, reports suggest.The move comes ahead of possible demonstrations this weekend in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.

According to The Times, anybody caught vandalising, causing criminal damage or assaulting police officers could be processed quickly through magistrates' courts with extended opening hours

https://news.sky.com/story/black-li...thin-24-hours-under-government-plans-12005261

 

[mexico1970]

So you watched Young Winston as well a few weeks ago!!!

No bud but I like a bit of history, great man deserves remembering IMO.

 

[mexico1970]

Violent protesters could be jailed within 24 hours under government plans to fast-track cases, reports suggest.The move comes ahead of possible demonstrations this weekend in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.

According to The Times, anybody caught vandalising, causing criminal damage or assaulting police officers could be processed quickly through magistrates' courts with extended opening hours

https://news.sky.com/story/black-li...thin-24-hours-under-government-plans-12005261

Some will be annoyed at this bit I for one welcome it, strangely this coincides with the rumour that the far right are counter-protesting, if they jail people from both sides however I will be a happy bunny.