Donald Trump

[Zuriblue]

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

"foreign countries, and others". So apart from foreign countries, what other countries are there except his own? So he's basically admitting he's going to participate in voter fraud.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

He's got to get some votes from somewhere.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

He's got to get some votes from somewhere.

Trump doesn't need more votes from anyone. It's highly likely that he won't have picked up any more votes since 2016. In fact he probably has a lot less. He just has to make it difficult for people to vote. A low turn out pretty much guarantees a GOP win, whoever there nominee is.

There is documented evidence of voter suppression already happening. Voters who haven't voted in a number of years are being purged from the register (and not being informed), but in mainly Democratic voting districts. Voting stations are being closed, combined or otherwise made inaccessible, again in mainly Democratic voting districts. Voting machines are being tampered with, or curiously just not working in ......... you've guessed it; mainly Democratic voting districts.

Their elections watchdog, the Federal Election Commission just seems to be toothless.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

"foreign countries, and others". So apart from foreign countries, what other countries are there except his own? So he's basically admitting he's going to participate in voter fraud.

I think he means Jared and Ivanka.

 

[SWP's back]

There’s zero way in which Trump can win legitimately.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

There’s zero way in which Trump can win legitimately.

I agree and am very concerned about all of this. And I recognize the perspective of many who say he must hold onto power to avoid prosecution once he's out of office. However, as I have been using his history (well-documented over 30 years) as a guide to his behavior as President, let me also submit that Trump -- like many lazy, slovenly jack-off bullshit artists -- also has a history of giving up when it looks like he's going to fail. His many business misadventures suggest this.

He won't give up as in quit the race, but he may try to raise as much as he can from a political contribution perspective and then not spend it on politics, e.g. There are pretty hefty restrictions post-campaign (not that he'd abide by them), but he can transfer the money to pay his kids' salaries for services rendered to the campaign assuming they are real services and at "fair market" prices. We know that Trump valued his own "brand" at several billion when claiming what his assets are; I'd assume he'd do the same with his kids' contributions to the campaign and find some way to justify it. I've said it before -- he'll squeeze some sort of pecuniary victory out of his defeat if it happens.

 

[mat]

There’s zero way in which Trump can win legitimately.

Indeed.

So what do we expect to see in November. A court case that makes Bush V Gore look like a tea party?

A national crisis?

War declared on China?

I honestly can't rule anything out no matter how ridiculous.

 

[SWP's back]

Indeed.

So what do we expect to see in November. A court case that makes Bush V Gore look like a tea party?

A national crisis?

War declared on China?

I honestly can't rule anything out no matter how ridiculous.

I hear what Foggy is saying but I don’t think Trump can let himself lose as he’ll end up doing time. I think he and Barr will do whatever is necessary to remain in power.

 

[mat]

I hear what Foggy is saying but I don’t think Trump can let himself lose as he’ll end up doing time. I think he and Barr will do whatever is necessary to remain in power.

I agree.

It's gonna be a shit show.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I hear what Foggy is saying but I don’t think Trump can let himself lose as he’ll end up doing time. I think he and Barr will do whatever is necessary to remain in power.

Perfectly reasonable expectation given his past as well.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I agree.

It's gonna be a shit show.

Shit show is a bit of an understatement.

It's going to be f*cking carnage.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Perfectly reasonable expectation given his past as well.

I really hope that if Biden gets in he nominates Kamala Harris as AG. She'll destroy Barr.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I agree and am very concerned about all of this. And I recognize the perspective of many who say he must hold onto power to avoid prosecution once he's out of office. However, as I have been using his history (well-documented over 30 years) as a guide to his behavior as President, let me also submit that Trump -- like many lazy, slovenly jack-off bullshit artists -- also has a history of giving up when it looks like he's going to fail. His many business misadventures suggest this.

He won't give up as in quit the race, but he may try to raise as much as he can from a political contribution perspective and then not spend it on politics, e.g. There are pretty hefty restrictions post-campaign (not that he'd abide by them), but he can transfer the money to pay his kids' salaries for services rendered to the campaign assuming they are real services and at "fair market" prices. We know that Trump valued his own "brand" at several billion when claiming what his assets are; I'd assume he'd do the same with his kids' contributions to the campaign and find some way to justify it. I've said it before -- he'll squeeze some sort of pecuniary victory out of his defeat if it happens.

In a way this perception helps Biden. The combination of what happened last time and underhand tactics means the gut feel is Biden needs to be 15 points clear to be comfortable. That will push them on where as with Hilary everyone thought she would win and complacency kicked in, she lost key states by a few thousand votes. Biden needs to win big.

 

[JRockBlues]

Indeed.

So what do we expect to see in November. A court case that makes Bush V Gore look like a tea party?

A national crisis?

War declared on China?

I honestly can't rule anything out no matter how ridiculous.

Wouldn't be surprised if he tries to escalate some of the troubles between China and India or Japan currently ongoing so that the US can act as peacemakers again.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

In a way this perception helps Biden. The combination of what happened last time and underhand tactics means the gut feel is Biden needs to be 15 points clear to be comfortable. That will push them on where as with Hilary everyone thought she would win and complacency kicked in, she lost key states by a few thousand votes. Biden needs to win big.

That's an important point. I definitely think anti-Trumpers are paranoid -- in a good way. Registration efforts are likely to be immense; Biden has enablers on the anti-Trump side spending their own money to smack Trump in the teeth while Biden can stay above the fray and convey a message of unification and empathy. Meantime the party can focus on registering voters -- whether more conservative Blues or Progressives. All of this fits together to drive turnout across the board. Apathy is the Democrats' worst enemy and I doubt there is nor can be much, but paranoia about its existence is a great motivator.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Wouldn't be surprised if he tries to escalate some of the troubles between China and India or Japan currently ongoing so that the US can act as peacemakers again.

Is it possible that anything he does could surprise me? Other than show a shred of evidence that he cares about anyone but himself, no.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I really hope that if Biden gets in he nominates Kamala Harris as AG. She'll destroy Barr.

I'd bet she's more impactful as our senator. Definitely some other good AG candidates.

On another crass and purely lustful note -- I definitely have an attraction to her physically.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Guess he wouldn’t do the fandango.