George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

stonerblue said:
Was he fuck.
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I don’t think he said that but the statement is somewhat true.

What people forget is the left have an authoritarian wing, like the right do, that prohibits free speech and persecutes those that disagree with what the collective should think.

It’s not fascism though it’s elements of communism, which is just as dangerous and just as evil.
 
Chris in London said:
Well that surprises me, but I suppose that reflects who we mix with, where we live, our families, news sources and so on.
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My friends and most of my family aren't like it but a lot of the people in work are all 'white lives matter'
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The American legal system is rooted in English Common law. The English legal system has a presumption of bail which was a long-standing common law right, subsequently mandated by the Bail Act 1976.

The relevant provision with in the English Bill of Rights, which predates the foundation of your nation by about a century, was the precursor to the 8th Amendment.

Next you’ll be saying you invented television.
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Duh! What does this have to do with my response? The point of my response, in so far as it relates to Chris, is to note that it isn't unusual to grant bail here.


Of course American law is rooted in English Common Law. But that's neither here nor there. Neither is it relevant to a discussion of whether granting bail to an accused was the norm and not some unique act or a sign that there was something "fucked up about the American Legal System."

It seems you've missed the point of the discussion.
 
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Chris in London said:
oops.

you got schooled before I even woke up.

better luck next time.
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The fact that you can't recognize that @gordondaviesmoustache response actually indicts you and not me is worrying.

His point, in case it flew over your head, is that bail would have been normal in England too. So you being English cannot be an excuse for not recognizing that. Making your original comment look worse.

But as usual, you don't seem to be able to see the implication of GDMs post. Perhaps it's just arrogance. Who knows.
 
Dax777 said:
The fact that you can't recognize that @gordondaviesmoustache response actually indicts you and not me is worrying.

His point, in case it flew over your head, is that bail would have been normal in England too. So you being English cannot be an excuse for not recognizing that. Making your original comment look worse.

But as usual, you don't seem to be able to see the implication of GDMs post. Perhaps it's just arrogance. Who knows.
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Nope, you got schooled. Keep telling yourself you didn’t though, it’s obviously important to your self esteem.
 
I wonder how many BLM deniers need more of this proof as to how people of colour are discriminated against in the USA and the UK? I can post many many examples and the of course to show that WLM or ALM is a valid statement by showing their examples.........

 


The effects of attempts to defund the Police are being felt in poor minority neighborhoods across the country. Its painful to watch a predictable outcome come to pass. :(

An 8 year-old has now been killed across the Wendy's parking lot from where Rayshard Brooks was killed.

Like the two black kids who died in Seattle's Animal Farm. 3 more have died in Atlanta's version of Animal Farm. First they burned down a Black owned Wendy's (supposedly in support of black people) then Armed BLM/fringe protestor militia took over the Wendy neighborhood and have now murdered an 8 year-old girl amongst 3 others.

Why are Mayors letting poor folks die at the hand of mobs? Second Mayor who is letting poor people die on purpose. This is so infuriating!

Chicago, here in New York, Baltimore, Washington DC, St Louis, Seattle, Gary, Atlanta. Violence, deaths, Assault are all up. None of this is surprising. Just sad. :(
 
Dax777 said:


The effects of attempts to defund the Police are being felt in poor minority neighborhoods across the country. Its painful to watch a predictable outcome come to pass. :(

An 8 year-old has now been killed across the Wendy's parking lot from where Rayshard Brooks was killed.

Like the two black kids who died in Seattle's Animal Farm. 3 more have died in Atlanta's version of Animal Farm. First they burned down a Black owned Wendy's (supposedly in support of black people) then Armed BLM/fringe protestor militia took over the Wendy neighborhood and have now murdered an 8 year-old girl amongst 3 others.

Why are Mayors letting poor folks die at the hand of mobs? Second Mayor who is letting poor people die on purpose. This is so infuriating!

Chicago, here in New York, Baltimore, Washington DC, St Louis, Seattle, Gary, Atlanta. Violence, deaths, Assault are all up. None of this is surprising. Just sad. :(
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So far, the only things that appear to have happened after BLM kicked off, is
arson, vandalism, looting and black
people dying, not exactly a positive response. These Cities above, aren't they
all Democrat controlled?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So far, the only things that appear to have happened after BLM kicked off, is
arson, vandalism, looting and black
people dying, not exactly a positive response. These Cities above, aren't they
all Democrat controlled?
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Yes, those Cities I mentioned are all run by Democrats. That said crime is rising in both Democratic and Republican run Cities. Albeit demonstrably higher in some Democratic enclaves.

Also generally speaking, about 90-95% of the top 100 cities for crime are run by Democrats.

That said, the data shows a level of complexity that goes beyond the correlation between Democrats and high crime cities.

However, I can't say Democratic policies have been generally helpful. And on occasion when they've allowed Animal farm type self rule to prevail, those particular Democrats have been harmful.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So far, the only things that appear to have happened after BLM kicked off, is
arson, vandalism, looting and black
people dying, not exactly a positive response. These Cities above, aren't they
all Democrat controlled?
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Yeah except for the millions and millions of Americans who are suddenly greatly attuned to the problems associated with racism since George Floyd and are now working within their connected communities and organizations to ensure relative equal treatment for all when it was merely assumed before. So saying the only thing the televised murder we witnessed has done is create more crime ignores the positive impact the attention BLM has drawn to racism/inequality. This is absolutely not to condone nor agree with the more radical aspects of the organizational message, which appears to be a new-found windmill to tilt at for some.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
Yeah except for the millions and millions of Americans who are suddenly greatly attuned to the problems associated with racism since George Floyd and are now working within their connected communities and organizations to ensure relative equal treatment for all when it was merely assumed before. So saying the only thing the televised murder we witnessed has done is create more crime ignores the positive impact the attention BLM has drawn to racism/inequality. This is absolutely not to condone nor agree with the more radical aspects of the organizational message, which appears to be a new-found windmill to tilt at for some.
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The organisational message is the fundamental problem they have, and when
the only outcomes we've seen are massive criminality, and children being shot dead,
pointing these out is not windmill tilting.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
The organisational message is the fundamental problem they have, and when
the only outcomes we've seen are massive criminality, and children being shot dead,
pointing these out is not windmill tilting.
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See, but those AREN’T the only outcomes. That was, you know, kind of the point of my post. So not really sure where to go here if you can’t grasp that.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
See, but those AREN’T the only outcomes. That was, you know, kind of the point of my post. So not really sure where to go here if you can’t grasp that.
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Arguments seem to get turned into binary outcomes quite frequently, across the forum. I wonder if Ric ought to rename the Politics subforum to the Gaslighting subforum.
Removing the shading distorts and masks the central issues, or the argument is used to draw the focus on a detail thus distorting/avoiding the bigger picture.

To me, the bigger picture is along the lines of:
Orange killed Yellow.
Yellow got angry.
Orange have taken no concrete action to address and accept that there is a problem, and paint Yellow as the bad guys.
Yellow get angrier as Orange basically gets away with killing Yellow.
 
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