Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Is it just me or is this ’remainer’ obsession starting to come across as really fucked up weird?

I think he's miffed that the only recent positive news about Brexit is that we are going to depend on a racist FTA with CANZUK and someone else beat him to the punch with that.

 

[west didsblue]

I think he's miffed that the only recent positive news about Brexit is that we are going to depend on a racist FTA with CANZUK and someone else beat him to the punch with that.

I see he’s liked a post where Cheese has admitted there’s no positives, so all they’ve got left is lording it over those that were against it, hence the constant prattle about Remainers rather than discussing leaving the EU and our new relationship.

 

[mat]

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Who’s rattled your cage?
It was only a suggestion.

Not really. It's just getting tedious. You have nothing to offer except self-love, belittling of others and links to twitter. I'm honestly not sure if some people realise how twitter works - you follow people who you like and agree with, and your timeline then becomes an echo chamber. Posting your own echo chamber on here is of no value. You can literally 'prove' anything with quoted tweets aligned to what you think.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I see he’s liked a post where Cheese has admitted there’s no positives, so all they’ve got left is lording it over those that were against it, hence the constant prattle about Remainers rather than discussing leaving the EU and our new relationship.

He 'liked' it because he has the self-awareness to realise I'm taking the piss. You could learn from him in this respect.

 

[BobKowalski]

He 'liked' it because he has the self-awareness to realise I'm taking the piss. You could learn from him in this respect.

Learn what? Obsessing over fellow posters? Talking in riddles? Posting weird pictures? Next there will be a ’manifesto’ and we all know how that shit ends. Spoiler: Not well.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Not really. It's just getting tedious. You have nothing to offer except self-love, belittling of others and links to twitter. I'm honestly not sure if some people realise how twitter works - you follow people who you like and agree with, and your timeline then becomes an echo chamber. Posting your own echo chamber on here is of no value. You can literally 'prove' anything with quoted tweets aligned to what you think.

The challenge it seems is that as Brexit turns to shit us Remainers need to be sensitive to the leavers who have invested in to it emotionally, instead of telling them to own it. But how can we have a rationale debate about a political disaster when we can't post up the evidence of the developing shit storm and government failure?

 

[mcfc1632]

Seems like the EU is starting to face up to the fact that May and Robbins are no longer to be relied upon to just rubber-stamp the EU's preferred outcomes.

News this week of movement from the EU in key areas:

"EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said Brussels is prepared to grant the City of London access to European markets post-Brexit.

New documents released by the House of Lords EU committee show that Barnier recently told the group that Brussels was “ready to grant equivalence”...…."

and:

"Barnier also suggested there was room to manoeuvre on the EU’s request that the European Court of Justice (ECJ) is involved in governing any UK-EU trade deal – a demand that has been ruled out by Boris Johnson.

In regards to the ECJ, Barnier said: “I do not imagine that it would not be possible to find some creative solution to deal with these issues.

“We are open to being creative so that we keep various sides happy.”....."

https://www.cityam.com/brexit-miche...to-grant-city-of-london-access-to-eu-markets/

There are also several reports out speaking of the EU's increasing recognition that it must move to the UK's position on fishing.

I know that it will disappoint some that the UK is making positive progress - make me wonder what is causing Barnier to shift so much ground and make concessions?
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Perhaps it was simply because it was always true that:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

 

[west didsblue]

Not really. It's just getting tedious. You have nothing to offer except self-love, belittling of others and links to twitter. I'm honestly not sure if some people realise how twitter works - you follow people who you like and agree with, and your timeline then becomes an echo chamber. Posting your own echo chamber on here is of no value. You can literally 'prove' anything with quoted tweets aligned to what you think.

Well I’ve just done a search and the last tweet I posted on this thread was 9 months ago so I’ve no fucking clue what you’re on about.

As for “self-love”, again you need to look at some of the Brexperts on here who repeatedly tell anyone who can be arsed reading their tedious posts about how knowledgeable and perceptive they are.

I’ll admit I’ve belittled a few posts but if people post utter bollocks what do they expect, plus I’ve had it back in spades from the likes of you and the bloviator.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The challenge it seems is that as Brexit turns to shit us Remainers need to be sensitive to the leavers who have invested in to it emotionally, instead of telling them to own it. But how can we have a rationale debate about a political disaster when we can't post up the evidence of the developing shit storm and government failure?

You can do what you like mate - I'm not aware of any actual debate on here from either side and the minute a poster outside of the usual few on either side attempts anything outside of an extreme pro or anti brexit view it is jumped upon by the clique. Not particularly harmful, but boring and probably the reason so few bother with the thread.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Well I’ve just done a search and the last tweet I posted on this thread was 9 months ago so I’ve no fucking clue what you’re on about.

As for “self-love”, again you need to look at some of the Brexperts on here who repeatedly tell anyone who can be arsed reading their tedious posts about how knowledgeable and perceptive they are.

I’ll admit I’ve belittled a few posts but if people post utter bollocks what do they expect, plus I’ve had it back in spades from the likes of you and the bloviator.

Because of you and people like you (leavers included) nobody posts an opinion or debates anymore. It all just descends into pathetic 'gotcha' posturing and back-slapping. You can't even bring yourself to consider an opposing view in case it shakes your own sense of being 'right' - again this is true of leavers too. There are a handful of people on here like yourself that can't possibly even consider that brexit may be a success within a reasonable timescale, and there are others that are equally blind to the potential hazards.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Because of you and people like you (leavers included) nobody posts an opinion or debates anymore. It all just descends into pathetic 'gotcha' posturing and back-slapping. You can't even bring yourself to consider an opposing view in case it shakes your own sense of being 'right' - again this is true of leavers too. There are a handful of people on here like yourself that can't possibly even consider that brexit may be a success within a reasonable timescale, and there are others that are equally blind to the potential hazards.

exactly the same on the BLM thread everyone on the far left of the debate sees racism in everything and everywhere , people on the far right thinks it doesn’t exist.

with everything including brexit somewhere in the centre is the truth .

 

[west didsblue]

Because of you and people like you (leavers included) nobody posts an opinion or debates anymore. It all just descends into pathetic 'gotcha' posturing and back-slapping. You can't even bring yourself to consider an opposing view in case it shakes your own sense of being 'right' - again this is true of leavers too. There are a handful of people on here like yourself that can't possibly even consider that brexit may be a success within a reasonable timescale, and there are others that are equally blind to the potential hazards.

I’ve literally been asking for someone .... anyone to post some tangible benefits and all I get in return is waffle like your post.

I would love to consider how Brexit may be a success in a reasonable timescale but not one person has explained how that could be possible. The best we’ve got is wait 10 years.

What are the benefits of introducing obstructions and costs to the flow of goods and services to and from our biggest market, and to all the other countries that the EU has deals with that we haven’t managed to roll over?

What are the benefits of fucking up supply chains across the EU so that factories in the UK that depend on components from the EU or supply components to the EU become uncompetitive?

What are the benefits of introducing an internal UK customs border monitored by the EU? Where’s the extra sovereignty we’ve secured?

What are the benefits of restricting the flow of seasonal workers who do jobs that most UK citizens aren’t prepared to do?

Come on then. Tell us about the benefits and stop posting shit about individual posters. Like it or not we’ve left and the impact will start to be felt on 1 Jan unless our ace negotiators either fold completely or pull a rabbit out of their hat. For those that think we’ve got the upper hand in the negotiations tell us why and tell us what this rabbit is going to look like?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I’ve literally been asking for someone .... anyone to post some tangible benefits and all I get in return is waffle like your post.

I would love to consider how Brexit may be a success in a reasonable timescale but not one person has explained how that could be possible. The best we’ve got is wait 10 years.

What are the benefits of introducing obstructions and costs to the flow of goods and services to and from our biggest market, and to all the other countries that the EU has deals with that we haven’t managed to roll over?

What are the benefits of fucking up supply chains across the EU so that factories in the UK that depend on components from the EU or supply components to the EU become uncompetitive?

What are the benefits of introducing an internal UK customs border monitored by the EU? Where’s the extra sovereignty we’ve secured?

What are the benefits of restricting the flow of seasonal workers who do jobs that most UK citizens aren’t prepared to do?

Come on then. Tell us about the benefits and stop posting shit about individual posters. Like it or not we’ve left and the impact will start to be felt on 1 Jan unless our ace negotiators either fold completely or pull a rabbit out of their hat. For those that think we’ve got the upper hand in the negotiations tell us why and tell us what this rabbit is going to look like?

Another rant :-(
The problem is you and I view brexit in different terms. To use another example - you see water as good for drinking and fire as a danger that burns you - I see water as a dangerous thing that drowns you and fire as useful for warmth and cooking. We are both correct while holding opposing views.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

exactly the same on the BLM thread everyone on the far left of the debate sees racism in everything and everywhere , people on the far right thinks it doesn’t exist.

with everything including brexit somewhere in the centre is the truth .

Yep - exactly the same. That debate has become the EDL typs vs the BLM 'everyone has to take a knee or they are racist' dicks. The vast majority of us just want the police to be able to do their job and black people to be treated well / the same.

 

[west didsblue]

Another rant :-(
The problem is you and I view brexit in different terms. To use another example - you see water as good for drinking and fire as a danger that burns you - I see water as a dangerous thing that drowns you and fire as useful for warmth and cooking. We are both correct while holding opposing views.

I asked some valid questions. The fact that you dismiss it as a rant suggests you’ve nothing to contribute.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I asked some valid questions. The fact that you dismiss it as a rant suggests you’ve nothing to contribute.

No. It suggests that the way you frame your 'questions' mean you are approaching the subject with a closed / empty mind. I feel we have said enough to each other tbh and are just adding crap to the thread. I wish you and yours well - goodbye.

 

[BobKowalski]

exactly the same on the BLM thread everyone on the far left of the debate sees racism in everything and everywhere , people on the far right thinks it doesn’t exist.

with everything including brexit somewhere in the centre is the truth .

Then articulate that truth. Post that truth. You have a voice, use it.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I’ve literally been asking for someone .... anyone to post some tangible benefits and all I get in return is waffle like your post.

I would love to consider how Brexit may be a success in a reasonable timescale but not one person has explained how that could be possible. The best we’ve got is wait 10 years.

What are the benefits of introducing obstructions and costs to the flow of goods and services to and from our biggest market, and to all the other countries that the EU has deals with that we haven’t managed to roll over?

What are the benefits of fucking up supply chains across the EU so that factories in the UK that depend on components from the EU or supply components to the EU become uncompetitive?

What are the benefits of introducing an internal UK customs border monitored by the EU? Where’s the extra sovereignty we’ve secured?

What are the benefits of restricting the flow of seasonal workers who do jobs that most UK citizens aren’t prepared to do?

Come on then. Tell us about the benefits and stop posting shit about individual posters. Like it or not we’ve left and the impact will start to be felt on 1 Jan unless our ace negotiators either fold completely or pull a rabbit out of their hat. For those that think we’ve got the upper hand in the negotiations tell us why and tell us what this rabbit is going to look like?

ok I will post some fucking benefits of leaving for 1000th time , just to shut you up

1 we don’t have to pay billions into the EU each year to pass throughout european countries and instead can use that money in the uk

2 we can remain an independent sovereign nation and take decisions about sanctions and trade independent of the EU , talks on trade deals with countries like japan and Australia are going well but of course as we are in a transition period we are still within the eu trade deals.

3 we can control immigration as a country and you will see that the points based system of immigration has passed through parliament

4 we don’t have to have further layers of politics Beuracracy and waste by not being involved in the eu elections and political system

5 it really pisses Nicola sturgeon off

6 we will have control of our fishing waters which will be a great boost for the uk fishing industry Who can catch it and sell it the Spanish and French etc for a tidy profit.

7 the fears of companies leaving on masse has not materialised or remotely true. Nissan investing Further in the north east at the expense of Barcelona , Goldman sachs opening its European HQ in London, Siemens announcing that it is investing further in its train factory in Europe . The european space centre picking Leicester as it’s space tech centre.

8 not being part of the growing integration and ultimately fall out coming from greater centralisation fiscally and militarily ( which we were told was not going to happen) .

9 seeing that the idea of not being able to go on holiday in Europe if we leave won’t be possible to be utter bollox

10 most importantly that we , like all the other countries around the world not in the eu discovering that it is possible to trade in and out of the eu all the time every day without coughing up billions to do so.

thanks.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

"EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said Brussels is prepared to grant the City of London access to European markets post-Brexit.

That wasn't supposed to happen, we've been told that there was no chance.

New documents released by the House of Lords EU committee show that Barnier recently told the group that Brussels was “ready to grant equivalence”...…."

Has he really, well well.

"Barnier also suggested there was room to manoeuvre on the EU’s request that the European Court of Justice (ECJ) is involved in governing any UK-EU trade deal – a demand that has been ruled out by Boris Johnson.

'Room to manoeuvre' there is none really, it looks like he's giving way here.

There are also several reports out speaking of the EU's increasing recognition that it must move to the UK's position on fishing.

Indeed it must.

All in all, not bad progress.