UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Shaelumstash said:
But seen as City made such a point about the UEFA leaks during the initial investigation - pretty much suggesting it undermined the whole process, I don’t think City would leak anything if they’d been successful.
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I don't mean in terms of properly leaking something to the press, but City are a big club with a lot of employees. I imagine many on here know people who work at City but there have been very few rumours coming out about a verdict. I just feel that if the club knew definitively then someone would've heard something.
 
projectriver said:
If this is correct, I'd see this as a slight positive. I find it hard to believe that club aren't given proper time (48 hours) to prepare for a negative verdict. Less time needed for an upheld appeal.
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But if that’s the case then CAS are essentially telling the club what the verdict is through their actions/behaviour. Doesn’t make sense to me.

The process of writing/getting sign off for a statement of this importance (even if it’s just a one-liner) should be allowed more time than a few hours on Monday morning.

Until you know the final judgement in its entirety then you can’t really fully prep your response no matter how confident you may be.
 
Shaelumstash said:
But seen as City made such a point about the UEFA leaks during the initial investigation - pretty much suggesting it undermined the whole process, I don’t think City would leak anything if they’d been successful.

UEFA are incapable of stopping leaks when it’s good news for the G14 clubs.

I’m an arch pessimist by nature, but the lack of stories in the press makes me feel confident City have won.
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Rick Parry was part of the board investigating us, he's now in charge of the EFL and presumably no longer part of the FFP investigation unit. Is it pure coincidence that there have been no further leaks?

And yes, this is the same Rick Parry who served on Livarpool*s board for 11 years as CEO, is an acknowledged Livarpool* fan and is even on the board at New York Cosmos. He's also the one who engages with random Wigan fans and makes dumb statements while being secretly filmed.
 
I imagine CAS would have said, "we're due to release it on the 10th, so we will inform both parties as normal but if both parties want a NDA till Monday then as long as that's formalised between the parties it won't be publicised till then".
 
Ric said:
I don't mean in terms of properly leaking something to the press, but City are a big club with a lot of employees. I imagine many on here know people who work at City but there have been very few rumours coming out about a verdict. I just feel that if the club knew definitively then someone would've heard something.
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I agree with that, if the club know it must literally only be the top 5 or so people who are in the loop and they have too much at stake to leak anything.

If the players know - their entourage, agents and families know too. No chance.

I do believe the longer it goes on without a leak the more likely it is that we’ve won. UEFA would not be able to contain this if it’s gone their way. It’d be like telling someone not to celebrate winning the lottery.
 
projectriver said:
If this is correct, I'd see this as a slight positive. I find it hard to believe that club aren't given proper time (48 hours) to prepare for a negative verdict. Less time needed for an upheld appeal.
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We’ve had months of this case being at CAS to prepare for both eventualities. If we lose on Monday we’ll already have a plan in place - I don’t think it matters if they give us 1 second notice or 1 month - our plan for a failed appeal will remain the same.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The procedure seems to be that the bare bones of the decision is released first. Then, possibly, a more detailed summary might be released later if both parties agree.
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But that's just for public consumption. Ourselves and UEFA will get a full (and very detailed, packed with legalese) explanation of why they've come to whatever decision they have. That surely requires more than just a few hours heads up?
 
I'm not sure if we'll hear anything today but i'll be looking for clues at the presser.
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Centurions said:
But that's just for public consumption. Ourselves and UEFA will get a full (and very detailed, packed with legalese) explanation of why they've come to whatever decision they have. That surely requires more than just a few hours heads up?
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I’m not sure, but I think the full details would take longer to appear.

This was the initial CAS release for the PSG case.
https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_5937_decision.pdf

Maybe both parties get a bit more, but publicly that’s all the detail I’m expecting to see on Monday.

The full PSG reasoning, I think projectriver said, only appeared the other day!
 
Centurions said:
But that's just for public consumption. Ourselves and UEFA will get a full (and very detailed, packed with legalese) explanation of why they've come to whatever decision they have. That surely requires more than just a few hours heads up?
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they're just re-reading GDM's posts as a trial run, they'll be able to digest the verdict in seconds come Monday.
 
Centurions said:
But that's just for public consumption. Ourselves and UEFA will get a full (and very detailed, packed with legalese) explanation of why they've come to whatever decision they have. That surely requires more than just a few hours heads up?
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Would we get a full detailed notification at the outset? I think this is the relevant bit in the CAS rules ...

R59 Award

The award shall be rendered by a majority decision, or in the absence of a majority, by the President alone. It shall be written, dated and signed. The award shall state brief reasons. The sole signature of the President of the Panel or the signatures of the two co-arbitrators, if the President does not sign, shall suffice.

Before the award is signed, it shall be transmitted to the CAS Director General who may make rectifications of pure form and may also draw the attention of the Panel to fundamental issues of principle. Dissenting opinions are not recognized by CAS and are not notified.

The Panel may decide to communicate the operative part of the award to the parties, prior to the reasons. The award shall be enforceable from such notification of the operative part by courier, facsimile and/or electronic mail.

The award, notified by the CAS Court Office, shall be final and binding upon the parties subject to recourse available in certain circumstances pursuant to Swiss law within 30 days from the notification of the award by mail or courier. It may not be challenged by way of an action for setting aside to the extent that the parties have no domicile, habitual residence, or business establishment in Switzerland and that they have expressly excluded all setting aside proceedings in the arbitration agreement or in an agreement entered into subsequently, in particular at the outset of the arbitration.

The operative part of the award shall be communicated to the parties within three months after the transfer of the file to the Panel. Such time limit may be extended by the President of the Appeals Arbitration Division upon a reasoned request from the President of the Panel.

A copy of the operative part of the award, if any, and of the full award shall be communicated to the authority or sports body which has rendered the challenged decision, if that body is not a party to the proceedings.

The award, a summary and/or a press release setting forth the results of the proceedings shall be made public by CAS, unless both parties agree that they should remain confidential. In any event, the other elements of the case record shall remain confidential.
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GBrannan said:
I’m not sure, but I think the full details would take longer to appear.

This was the initial CAS release for the PSG case.
https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_5937_decision.pdf

Maybe both parties get a bit more, but publicly that’s all the detail I’m expecting to see on Monday.

The full PSG reasoning, I think projectriver said, only appeared the other day!
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If both parties agree CAS will not actually release the full reasoning, they can even restrict the initial release on request from both parties. Can't see that happening here mind.
 
There's a collective mass optimism that's reaching fever pitch on here. Each positive post encourages yet another positive post, its like we're all egging each other on to say something that confirms the general mood of the thread.

Sorry, but I find it really worrying that you're all allowing yourself to believe that everything is going to be ok when in fact we know the nothing. I'm a pessimist and always think the worst outcome is usually the norm.

Hope I'm wrong.

You can now throw rotten fruit at me.
 
Ric said:
I don't mean in terms of properly leaking something to the press, but City are a big club with a lot of employees. I imagine many on here know people who work at City but there have been very few rumours coming out about a verdict. I just feel that if the club knew definitively then someone would've heard something.
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Ah ok, fair enough.
 
Ballet-on-ice said:
There's a collective mass optimism that's reaching fever pitch on here. Each positive post encourages yet another positive post, its like we're all egging each other on to say something that confirms the general mood of the thread.

Sorry, but I find it really worrying that you're all allowing yourself to believe that everything is going to be ok when in fact we know the nothing. I'm a pessimist and always think the worst outcome is usually the norm.

Hope I'm wrong.

You can now throw rotten fruit at me.
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Well we do know that UEFA are confident that they are in the right. We also know that City are confident we're in the right.

Where's your confusion coming from?
 
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