UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[birchwoodgingerste]

I wonder what the outcome odds are like we have not even had any clues about which way this will go.exitingly worried!:)

 

[Centurions]

I wonder what the outcome odds are like we have not even had any clues about which way this will go.exitingly worried!:)

50:50

And I'm not even a bookmaker.

 

[waspish]

I would be surprised if that was the case.

I would think UEFA and City would both want time to prepare a statement to be released immediately after the verdict is made public.

For both parties the decision is going to seriously effect their futures one way or the other.

Don’t you think a statement for either outcome would already been done?

 

[mrbelfry]

We will know for sure later today when they pull out two Real Madrid balls for the draw. Worst case scenario for UEFA is if the ban is upheld but then we win the thing. Be a weird one if we couldn't defend the trophy because we cheated years earlier

 

[ayrshire_blue]

We will know for sure later today when they pull out two Real Madrid balls for the draw. Worst case scenario for UEFA is if the ban is upheld but then we win the thing. Be a weird one if we couldn't defend the trophy because we cheated years earlier

No its not, that's an easy one for UEFA as they'd still simply ban us. Worst thing for UEFA is if we win the appeal, and it's something we absolutely must do.

 

[Cobwebcat]

If this is correct, I'd see this as a slight positive. I find it hard to believe that club aren't given proper time (48 hours) to prepare for a negative verdict. Less time needed for an upheld appeal.

I find it impossible to believe. They might say they don’t know but they will know by now and possibly have for some time.

If I remember right not only do both sides need to check the draft but they also are given one last chance to talk to each other (however unlikely at this stage) all that in a few hours?

The procedure seems clear enough. In this case there is an argument for more time being given. Less than usual there is no reason for.

They know...good or bad. My guess is good.

 

[M18CTID]

I don't mean in terms of properly leaking something to the press, but City are a big club with a lot of employees. I imagine many on here know people who work at City but there have been very few rumours coming out about a verdict. I just feel that if the club knew definitively then someone would've heard something.

It could be that something of this magnitude is being kept to a select few people until the verdict is officially announced and that those who know have been told not to go gabbing to Doris the tea lady, or Joe Bloggs in the ticket office, as we’ll look like twats after complaining about UEFA leaking like a sieve (not that it really matters if the verdict has already been reached I suppose, but it wouldn’t be a great look if someone leaked that we’d won).

And on that note, I’d urge caution to those getting excited that nothing seems to be leaking out of UEFA’s side and taking that as a positive. For all we know, we may have lost and for once UEFA are keeping schtum because of the dressing down they previously had from CAS about leaks pertaining to this case.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

There's a collective mass optimism that's reaching fever pitch on here. Each positive post encourages yet another positive post, its like we're all egging each other on to say something that confirms the general mood of the thread.

Sorry, but I find it really worrying that you're all allowing yourself to believe that everything is going to be ok when in fact we know the nothing. I'm a pessimist and always think the worst outcome is usually the norm.

Hope I'm wrong.

You can now throw rotten fruit at me.

I actually agree that the most likely outcome is the ban being upheld, and voted that way in the poll on this thread. I just can’t see us being cleared, however hard I try to understand the reasons for optimism.

That said, I think you’re simplifying too much to say the optimism you’re seeing on here is solely based on the positivity of other posters. The Club has been unequivocal and strident in stating our position that we have done nothing whatsoever to warrant this sanction, and have irrefutable proof to support that position.

People have taken a lot of optimism from the Club’s statements, and trust them to carry through on their words with action in this case - which I completely understand.

The optimism on here isn’t just echo chamber self-delusion - there is plenty to support it outside of this thread.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Don’t you think a statement for either outcome would already been done?

How can you do a statement when you haven’t read the reasons behind the ruling?

 

[Cobwebcat]

It could be that something of this magnitude is being kept to a select few people until the verdict is officially announced and that those who know have been told not to go gabbing to Doris the tea lady, or Joe Bloggs in the ticket office, as we’ll look like twats after complaining about UEFA leaking like a sieve (not that it really matters if the verdict has already been reached I suppose, but it wouldn’t be a great look if someone leaked that we’d won).

And on that note, I’d urge caution to those getting excited that nothing seems to be leaking out of UEFA’s side and taking that as a positive. For all we know, we may have lost and for once UEFA are keeping schtum because of the dressing down they previously had from CAS about leaks pertaining to this case.

True I think. No leaks is to be expected it’s bloody serious stuff this time around.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

How can you do a statement when you haven’t read the reasons behind the ruling?

Might be wrong, but surely it would be common place to have 2 very short statements drafted up, with one of them expressing dissapointment at the decision and stating the club and its solicitors will have a detailed look at the reasoning behind the decision and make further comment in due course.

 

[waspish]

How can you do a statement when you haven’t read the reasons behind the ruling?

We know why Uefa have banned us and what for.

 

[Cobwebcat]

We know why Uefa have banned us and what for.

It might be as Ayrshire notes but there is still little reason for such short notice when normally it’s a few days as Projectriver says.

The fact that there are no leaks is nothing to do with they don’t know and more to do with not blabbing after being warned already.

 

[mcfcphil]

Don’t you think a statement for either outcome would already been done?

There will be a draft statement and lines prepared for both outcomes but if we haven’t received the final judgement and summary then there will still be a process to go through to reconcile the prepared comms against the official verdict (and get legal sign off).

I don’t think CAS would/should expect a process of this importance to happen in a few hours. In my mind the scenario whereby city aren’t told until Monday morning is an absolute non-starter.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

How can you do a statement when you haven’t read the reasons behind the ruling?

"We are obviously happy/disappointed in the outcome of today's rulings."

plus one of these extra lines ...

"We now hope to move forward in a positive manner with UEFA"

or

"We will await the full details of the award before discussing the matter further"

 

[Centurions]

We know why Uefa have banned us and what for.

We as in City? Because I still don't have a scooby besides in the very widest sweeping statements.

 

[hihosilva]

I can't see that Khaldoon would have already recorded a statement if he didn't know the outcome. He would have had to record three different possibilities. Charges upheld, charges reduced & charges overturned speech.

 

[malkie]

One thing that bothers me about the "irrefutable evidence", is the word believe, why not say we have irrefutable evidence?

Ferran Soriano, “We delivered a long list of documents and support that we believe is irrefutable evidence that the claims are not true and it was hard because we did this in the context of information being leaked to the media in the context of feeling that every step of the way, every engagement we had, we felt that we were considered guilty before anything was even discussed.

https://www.the42.ie/manchester-city-uefa-ban-soriano-5013704-Feb2020/

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

“The award shall be enforceable from such notification of the operative part by courier, facsimile and/or electronic mail.“ R59 of CAS.

This suggests that, once the decision is notified to the parties it is ‘enforced’. If it is transmitted today, it is in force from today and there is no reason to keep it quiet. For this reason and my earlier post about the effect on share prices (should it involve a different football club), I don’t see how anybody, save for the 3 CAS judges can KNOW the outcome. I think the club and EUFA find out, definitively, at the same time we do. That’s not to say that people won’t have a feel for how it has turned out, but that’s obviously not the same as knowing.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

If they have sent the verdict to City by "electronic Mail" the whole world will know

True but liverpool will have heard it first .