CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

[Matt Diablo]

Typical City for me. Same day my mrs starts showing symptoms first fukin time

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yes, it suggests that initially they printed what they were told (fine, as long as it's clear that it's briefing).
At some point, presumably they asked the other side, or decided to look into it. SInce then, Ziegler's been solid.

Always difficult to remember how much one journalist is responsible for output, but I do recall his using his own twitter about this.

I agree. I think this shows that some of these leaks may not just have been a single rogue element in the IC but may have been tactical ones sanctioned by more senior people at UEFA. I believe the senior people at UEFA knew they had a poor case before Christmas and the leaks suggesting tough action were designed to put pressure on City to accept Ceferin's Christmas offer of a year's ban. The last thing they wanted was for this to actually end up with CAS. Ceferin may have been pressurised into doing this because of the internal feud at UEFA.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

City as a general rule don't lie. If they knew on Friday, then that would've been via an official communication from CAS, and they'd have no reason to deny it today or to 'leave this version out there'. It's a COMPLETE non issue which is only really relevant in places where people made bold predictions on Friday.

Indeed. I always surmised that the reason there was no leak was the obvious one. Nobody actually KNEW. I’d imagine the execs had a fair idea after the hearing but could not, in any way, be certain, as couldn’t anyone on twitter or even on BM.....

 

[BillyShears]

Indeed. I always surmised that the reason there was no leak was the obvious one. Nobody actually KNEW. I’d imagine the execs had a fair idea after the hearing but could not, in any way, be certain, as couldn’t anyone on twitter or even on BM.....

I think the confidence since the hearing from our legal team could easily be parlayed into conversations on Friday. From there people can run with that confidence and do/say as they please.

 

[Centurions]

What publication was the Zygler piece in please mate?

I'm presuming it was this piece:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...gy-of-saying-nothing-lands-huge-win-n2vxjr3mv

There's an interesting paragraph that I've not seen the media pick up on previously:

The leaked emails had been published in the German magazine Der Spiegel, part of the Football Leaks cache released to selected European media via the hacker Rui Pinto, who is now under house arrest in Portugal. Some of the City hierarchy believed the leaks were the work of Qatar’s secret service, linked to the political dispute between the Gulf states, aimed at damaging the club, and began to build their defence.

That takes us back to an older (scary) piece, it's quite long but well worth reading:

https://investigativejournal.org/qatars-hack-of-our-democracies/

 

[Deleted member 77198]

The anti-city media said it is a big reason.

The cas ruling said Manchester city did not inflate sponsors deals.

The story is being totally rewritten imo and some (a lot) are falling for it.

Interesting because we have a PSG fan on here and the reality to their case is different to the headlines about them 'getting away with it'. So maybe the best we can hope for is the exoneration we got but the media propaganda gets worse.

Indeed. But one club who really did get away with it were Liverpool in 2015:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...xpected-to-escape-fine-for-breaching-FFP.html

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I think the confidence since the hearing from our legal team could easily be parlayed into conversations on Friday. From there people can run with that confidence and do/say as they please.

Indeed. I’d imagine they were still shitting themselves at 0800 yesterday though, confident or not.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Indeed. But one club who really did get away with it were Liverpool in 2015:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...xpected-to-escape-fine-for-breaching-FFP.html

Never happened. You’ll be saying they killed some Italians and got the whole of English football banned for 5 years next, ffs.....

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I'm presuming it was this piece:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...gy-of-saying-nothing-lands-huge-win-n2vxjr3mv

There's an interesting paragraph that I've not seen the media pick up on previously:



That takes us back to an older (scary) piece, it's quite long but well worth reading:

https://investigativejournal.org/qatars-hack-of-our-democracies/

There are a number of journalists (can’t remember their names) who have links to Qatar, and they’re all anti-City and especially anti-UAE.

Always vomiting their human rights pieces out left right and centre.

“sportswashing” “peterodollars” “state owned”...

 

[Norbert D]

Now the cartel have failed to fuck us via UEFA it looks like they are now pinning their hopes on the Premier League shafting us. Out of interest, if and it’s a big IF, the Premier League decided to say dock us points or whatever, what would be City’s line of appeal, would it be in court or back to CAS?

 

[SilverFox2]

If UEFA choose to not let full details become public will the media assume they had a weak case?

 

[Cobwebcat]

Restricting people in this way feels to me as the Americans would say “unconstitutional” there’s just something at its very essence that sounds wrong. That’s before you take into consideration that established clubs looking out for their own interests Find it financially unbearable . It’s just wrong at it’s very core imo

Ironically it’s the US owned clubs that love FFP the most

 

[west didsblue]

I’m finding it quite amusing and predictably hypocritical that rival fans and journalists are choosing to ignore the totally clear and unambiguous headline of the judgment like it doesn’t mean anything, and are instead applying their own interpretation of the small print to say that we did it and got off with it on a technicality, whereas without a detailed explanation, those words can be interpreted in any number of ways.

It’s not like it’s a newspaper headline that can often bear little relationship to the article. It’s a legal document where every word is chosen carefully and approved by senior legal experts. If the headline of the judgment says we didn’t do it, we didn’t fucking do it. Why is it so hard for them to understand?

 

[Blue Til Death]

Even if UEFA had abandoned their case against us and begged forgiveness, the media would still have spun it negatively against City.. As far as I am concerned they can all fuck right off and do a very fuckin big one...!

 

[Ajm1985]

Wasn’t there some nifty trick to get past a paywall?

If this has been covered already, forgive me, but I use the first option in this article for all Times articles

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Now the cartel have failed to fuck us via UEFA it looks like they are now pinning their hopes on the Premier League shafting us. Out of interest, if and it’s a big IF, the Premier League decided to say dock us points or whatever, what would be City’s line of appeal, would it be in court or back to CAS?

CAS, in fact there was a case ruled on just recently in the Turkish league regarding reinstating points deducted by the Turkish FA.

 

[Manchester33]

Never happened. You’ll be saying they killed some Italians and got the whole of English football banned for 5 years next, ffs.....

Seasons City have been banned from Europe for cooking the books - 0
Times City have been banned from Europe because Liverpool fans brutally murdered 39 innocent people - 1

 

[Asa's left peg]

I still think there may be some mileage in this. The way this is being spun, is not the full exoneration Khaldoon wanted. I would be suprised if there was not some more 'clarification' in the clubs full statment after they have seen the full judgement.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Unfortunately Henry Winter's article is yet another example of clicks being more valuable than reporting facts. None of these hacks seem to have the sense to wait until the full reasons are published before rushing to judgement.

I suspect that the strength of our case against the time-barred allegations was just as strong as for those that weren't but because they were time-barred CAS did not need to waste its time considering them.

They're trying to set the narrative, rather than report the facts - that's what they're being paid to do, and its far easier to set a narrative when there are fewer of said facts in the way to contradict that narrative.

By the time the actual facts of the judgement are made public, it won't matter what's in there as - in the court of public opinion - we'll have got off on a technicality having obstructed the investigation deliberately for long enough to cause the time restrictions to kick in. We 'got away with it' because we played a legal game with UEFA and won, not because there was actually no proof to support their accusations.

Again - the facts won't matter here - talk to your average fan, and that's what they'll tell you happened.

Just like we're supposed to believe the UEFA IC is 'independent', and that a few emails are cast iron proof of wrongdoing, to trump any other proof presented at CAS which clearly demonstrated our innocence.

Hacks like Winter are the very definition of Fake News.

 

[lonestay]

the Prem might make a bit of noise over this in the coming months, but i dont think they will do anything about it, they have seen the size of ours and i dont think they would really want to unzip and compare in public. If they did and lost where does that leave there credibility?