CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

[mancity1]

Fine was not quashed completely to save some face for UEFA.

We shouldn't pay it , we should challenge it and win the case and have UEFA pay for all our legal fees.

Difficult to quantify further costs to the club in terms of brand damage etc but again an ambit claim wouldn't go astray.

This was always the status quo attacking the new kid on the block forgetting how they got to where they were in the first place.

Pep is right when he says you cannot become a competitor year in year out unless you have the funds to spend and the brand to support it.

it will only get worse as the years pass but you can do it with style and a good business model that will by and large stand the test of time.

We have without yet securing a Chumps and the " bigger boys " don't like their toys taken from them.

 

[Salford_Blue]

This time-barred stuff can't have been that good if they've hung onto it for over five years can it?

Just a thought

 

[OrigamiNinja]

I have thought about this.

That punishment was so extreme,even i started doubting,thinking we must be seriously banged to rights.

Maybe they wanted to damage the brand.

They wanted neutrals to automatically assume serious guilt,by issuing an unprecedentedly harsh sentence.

That sentence would not have even reflected the crime,had a crime been proven.

It was like hanging someone for stealing an Apple.

How much of this campaign was controlled by Parry,Gill, i wonder.

The two year bans says to me that they didn't believe they could win but also that they wouldn't lose so badly, the ban would be completely overturned. I would bet a sizeable amount that the cartel expected a loss but a reduced ban to 1 year, something they would not have seen as a loss.

 

[Bellamy's Caddy]

FFS City... if you don't act on this then you've got no right to complain about the amount of bad mouthing going on.

Kitson is on a desperate self promotion drive to try and make himself relevant. He's articulate, hower unfortunately nearly everything he says is incorrect.

As well as Kitson I've heard a few people moaning that City had better lawyers, like we somehow had an unfair advantage over the poor underdogs at UEFA. Its UEFA we're talking about, a huge organisation. I'd imagine their legal team are well compensated for their services, but even the best lawyers need a solid case, which UEFA did not have.

The assumption of guilt on the matters that were time barred also irks me. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? UEFA were unable to pursue those issues, just as City were unable to prove their innocence, as we successfully did with the actual charges.

People also pointing to the fine for being uncooperative and misleading and obstructing UEFA. They are now proven to have charged us unfairly, so its not really a surprise that City were uncooperative is it.

It feels like the detractors are deliberately trying push a narrative that the fine relates to breaking FFP, which it did not. That's probably the only negative to come from the announcement and surprise surprise that's the bit people are focusing on. Grimly predictable.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

You lot getting your knickers in a twist about the odd shitty irrelevant pundit’s take on this is pretty funny.

We won. Much of the narrative since has been positive. It will get more positive when the full judgement is released. City have put Pep into bat nicely and there will be more leaks/releases through the right channels in time, I’m sure.

We as a club have behaved with dignity throughout and have the spoils.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Newcastle, if their takeover goes through, would have every reason to stall and weaken us as long as possible.

No chance. Newcastle along with Sheff Utd will be Citys biggest allies if the takeover happens.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

So what are the premier league looking at, are we going to have to go through all this shit again? If we are and we have info on the other clubs let’s pre empt it and go for them. I’m sick of this now, just get on with it and win the fa and CL to stick it to them. Can uefa go to the Swiss court?

Don’t underestimate what we’re up against.
They can and will still screw us on the pitch.
It’s a win win situation for the PL and UEFA puppet masters.

It’s those behind the constant smear campaign that pushed this and UEFA and the PL take the criticism instead of them for seeming inept.

They in the mean time, as we saw through various mouthpieces, Klopp et al, continue the narrative in safety ignoring the reality conveniently, because they are the reality behind the lies and the cheating.

And how? The media. They have the click bait fan base, so they have the media. Sound bite, no substance, repeat and keep the damage going.

And with that underlying narrative, nobody other than us will pay attention or give a damn when they screw us on the pitch through their supine governing bodies.

We are still mired in an epic battle which is why I’m actually really tired of football.

But there is that hope that City will actually change things that keeps me interested. I want to see us fight back.
But we are still truly up against a seemingly unwinnable war.
We are fighting a corrupt sport. Corrupt to the core.

 

[Salford_Blue]

We have to wait and see the CAS explanations. City don't have to do anything just yet.

We must let the usual suspects give themselves enough rope.

All we need to see is CAS asking why UEFA brought the case and everything else will look after itself, the attempt to damage the club's reputation being clear for everyone to see.

Would you say there is possibly a willingness or want to do something about it, should the opportunity arise?

 

[paulchapo]

I have thought about this.

That punishment was so extreme,even i started doubting,thinking we must be seriously banged to rights.

Maybe they wanted to damage the brand.

They wanted neutrals to automatically assume serious guilt,by issuing an unprecedentedly harsh sentence.

That sentence would not have even reflected the crime,had a crime been proven.

It was like hanging someone for stealing an Apple.

How much of this campaign was controlled by Parry,Gill, i wonder.

It may be as some alluded to before the case. Cerefin visited City and said, " Look these fuckers are busting my arse I have to do something. Accept a lesser charge and fine and that's it." Once we said no they went over the top to appease the cartel.but knowing they had no chance of winning.

 

[marco]

I have thought about this.

That punishment was so extreme,even i started doubting,thinking we must be seriously banged to rights.

Maybe they wanted to damage the brand.

They wanted neutrals to automatically assume serious guilt,by issuing an unprecedentedly harsh sentence.

That sentence would not have even reflected the crime,had a crime been proven.

It was like hanging someone for stealing an Apple.

How much of this campaign was controlled by Parry,Gill, i wonder.

maybe they gave us the two year ban and fine because they thought we would go to CAS to get that reduced 'end up one year' but we didnt chellenge that at CAS, if that was the case and we had acceprted a reduced ban we would have admitted guilt,,i think Gill has a massive part in it and could imagine him on the phone to the swamp as soon as he found out it had gone tits up saying 5th is not an option Ole

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Those waiting for the award to clear this up are going to be disappointed. It will be carefully worded.

The term worrisome leaks has already been used, so some strong criticism of uefa is certainly possible.

 

[marco]

It may be as some alluded to before the case. Cerefin visited City and said, " Look these fuckers are busting my arse I have to do something. Accept a lesser charge and fine and that's it." Once we said no they went over the top to appease the cartel.but knowing they had no chance of winning.

id say thats pretty much bang on

 

[Jacko1956]

we submitted our accounts thinking we had passed ffp when UEFA decided to alter the rules thus we fell short

Altered the tiles without informing anybody ! Likend to sitting an exam where the pass mark was 75% and only to be told you've failed because we increased the pass mark to 85%

 

[slbsn]

I was just about to question Tolmie on that as I believe the wording will not change the narrative at all. Surely if CAS have said what he is implying there is no way UEFA would agree to having the reasons published?

I haven't caught up with what people are saying. I am GUESSING the award says:

a) certain matters were time barred (UEFA say it is 5 year limitation that the Panel found)
b) the Panel makes no finding on those time barred matters (it doesn't need to so may hide behind that)
c) the non-time barred matters were unproven (not established) - UEFA's evidence inconclusive to support such serious allegations. There may be some discussion of the standard of proof
d) it may excuse UEFA for making unproved serious allegation partly because of City's obstructive conduct in co-operation
e) it will support UEFA's argument as to the importance of co-operation
f) it will support UEFA that "MCFC’s disregard of such principle and its obstruction of the investigations" was an aggravating factor

So all in all fairly dry. Probably. I don't see it likely it will criticise UEFA. If it was scathing of UEFA I don't think it would have awarded €10m, it would have said words to the effect that "although we accept UEFA's argument as to the importance of non-cooperation, in this case UEFA's conduct in pursuing the investigation was so unfounded that we consider MCFC's breach to be largely excusable."

 

[bobom]

We have to wait and see the CAS explanations. City don't have to do anything just yet.

We must let the usual suspects give themselves enough rope.

All we need to see is CAS asking why UEFA brought the case and everything else will look after itself, the attempt to damage the club's reputation being clear for everyone to see.

It'll be interesting to see if/when the penny drops in some quarters that perhaps Uefa are the bad guys. I'm not holding my breath, but it's interesting to see how long the cognitive dissonance can be kept up.

 

[BLUEYESTU]

There will be no "full report narrative".

The world has made its judgement, the decision has been made, the line has been cast. There was a massive build up and anticipation, the story dominated for 48hours and the story is that City got off on a technicality, it's a disgrace, CAS are questionable and it's a bad day for football.

I think if you think any rival fan or generic pundit is going to re-focus on a second press release that involved technical details and changing their opinions on the verdict established already then you're dreaming.

Even if the full report came out and completely exonerated City, no one outside the fans would pay attention. The articles wouldn't get clicks, the Jordan's, Warnock's and Kitson's of this world would not pay attention, and will just regurgitate "time-bar, bad day for football" etc. for the next decade whenever City come up.

Yeah I have to agree with this. The whole scenario has utterly soured other fans view on us to the point where they will never ever want to back down and say “it was all really unfair what City were put through”.
Incredible to say but I’ve actually lost a friend over this simply because he can’t see any other point of view other than we are cheating c**ts and should be kicked out of football. I’ve sent him links to Martin Samuels piece etc but he just doesn’t want to read it and see the wood for the trees. People seem to WANT to be angry and bitter towards us rather than look at the bigger picture.
It’s been building up to this for a long time now and it will never be the same for us City fans - we are going to be universally hated and sneered at.
So be it.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Even Chris Sutton’s face gave it away, you could see he was thinking what a dickhead.

He was thinking “fucking hell, I have to work with someone even thicker than Robbie Savage”

 

[SidJames]

Rival fans are clinging on to the Time barred theory. I know UEFA have tripped themselves up over this. Ignoring the Time barred suggestion was we guilty beforehand? I know we got punished and took a pinch but was this to appease UEFA and hope they’d go away ? Or was we definitely in the wrong ?? (I know goal posts were moved during this time so just need reminding on the specifics )

we shouldn't have took a Pinch the first time.

Although i fully understand why we did.

We thought maybe if we let them fuck us over on a technicality. They will back off and leave us alone.

Dealing with the Mafia works the same way.You pay up and they come back for more money.

Also a lot is being made of our failure to assist the investigation.

My understanding is the Club was assisting right up,and until the the point,that UEFA started asking for really sensitive business documents.The Club felt UEFA was over stepping the mark asking for these kind of documents.This was the point, when we said,you know what you can fuck off.Why would City provide sensitive documents irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things to a UEFA board clearly compromised by Parry,and Gill.

I would have told them to fuck off.

 

[I'm Blue]

He was thinking “fucking hell, I have to work with someone even thicker than Robbie Savage”

Pmsl.

 

[Jacko1956]

The two year bans says to me that they didn't believe they could win but also that they wouldn't lose so badly, the ban would be completely overturned. I would bet a sizeable amount that the cartel expected a loss but a reduced ban to 1 year, something they would not have seen as a loss.

Defo we were given a 2 year ban expecting it be reduced to 1 which was job done for our name and brand to be permanently damaged !