CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

I'd hope so, or else the twitter twats will never cease.
People who use Twitter aren’t the sort of people who’ll read a full report on a court case from another club.

Twitter football fans can barely string a sentence together. They don’t even understand the CAS press release from Monday that’s only just over one page long... or they don’t want to!

The press and social media set the narrative five minutes after the statement of Not Guilty came out and, unfortunately, across most of football’s fans, forever more, we will be known for “getting away with it”.
 
When will the full ruling be available?
Javier Tebas (reliable source I know!) has been quoted suggesting it may never be available:-


"I would like to read the final ruling now, if I can.

Just as we still have not been able to read PSG's final ruling from CAS, when a lot of time has passed and it is still not available. "

https://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/man...awG1BkJES7A7vtayQ23LPm2pv6tGcYL2QWCjvjXd2tsT4

Is there a possibility of this?

Yes, both parties have to agree for it to be made public. UEFA had their pants pulled down so doubt they would agree. Maybe Citys server can be "hacked" and it become available ;P
 
One can hope that CAS themselves take note of what is being said about them by the likes of Tebas, and therefore will make sure their final ruling is published soon and is very, very clear. It should not be in the interest of CAS to provide a ruling which can be misinterpreted to abuse City and thereby implicitly CAS.
 
This illustrates exactly what many of us having been shouting about for years now: the inherent and horrific deficiency of the current iteration of FFP that the cartel clubs forced upon European football as a short-sighted, histrionic, self-defeating, catastrophic protectionist response to higher competition.

Any regulations that were genuinely intended to safe guard the financial sustainability of football clubs and the overall stability of the sport (football markets) would neither allow this sort of ridiculous financing, nor eventually force clubs in to having to seek it due to cash flow issues stemming from allowing earlier highly leveraged purchases, high-proportion operations financing, and/or risky stock/bond issuances. Debt is *relatively* cheaper than it has ever been, but the clubs must still service these debts and, as United has shown, there are cascading costs to these methods of financing operations.

Barca supportors will say this is solely for the club’s stadium redevelopment, but that is only a cover for shifting cash to allow for continued operations as they bleed elsewhere. The have some fairly serious and deeply seeded management issues, including financial problems. Although Barca may *just* be able to ultimately manage this loan (though, it still carries more risk than most think), this only emboldens other clubs to attempt to “solve” their financing issues with cheep debt now.

Focusing solely on P&L, and discouraging owner equity investment, has created a situation where small and big clubs struggle to weather periods of greater market volatility and take bigger risks, with severe longer term consequences, than they otherwise would.



Translation of the tweet:

Laporta confirms that Barça is processing a loan for 800 million euros with the private investment bank Goldman Sachs. “I don't know if they have already signed for it or if they have already made a pre-agreement. It will be repaid in 20 years. They have to explain, "he said.


Since when have Barcelona operated with a £40m surplus to pay this sort of money back each year. They have been sinking further and further into debt year on year. There will be state funding by the back door to cover this sort of debt. I’d also have as a guess that the stadium rebuild costs will hugely overrun. Another year of zero attendance at the Camp Nou could hit the Catalan tax payer very hard because there will no doubt, be a state bailout and I wonder what senor Tebas will make of that?
 
When will the full ruling be available?
Javier Tebas (reliable source I know!) has been quoted suggesting it may never be available:-


"I would like to read the final ruling now, if I can.

Just as we still have not been able to read PSG's final ruling from CAS, when a lot of time has passed and it is still not available. "

https://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/man...awG1BkJES7A7vtayQ23LPm2pv6tGcYL2QWCjvjXd2tsT4

Is there a possibility of this?
In about a weeks time I believe, they have to run it past both parties to see if there's anything they'd rather have redacted. Did PSG's not get released last week or are we talking about something else?
 
When will the full ruling be available?
Javier Tebas (reliable source I know!) has been quoted suggesting it may never be available:-


"I would like to read the final ruling now, if I can.

Just as we still have not been able to read PSG's final ruling from CAS, when a lot of time has passed and it is still not available. "

https://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/man...awG1BkJES7A7vtayQ23LPm2pv6tGcYL2QWCjvjXd2tsT4

Is there a possibility of this?
Yeah, both parties have to agree for it to be released.

We might jump at the chance; UEFA might want to save a total embarrassment and say no.
 
When will the full ruling be available?
Javier Tebas (reliable source I know!) has been quoted suggesting it may never be available:-


"I would like to read the final ruling now, if I can.

Just as we still have not been able to read PSG's final ruling from CAS, when a lot of time has passed and it is still not available. "

https://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/man...awG1BkJES7A7vtayQ23LPm2pv6tGcYL2QWCjvjXd2tsT4

Is there a possibility of this?
PSG's ruling was made public last week, as ever Tebas is talking shit.
 
Yeah, both parties have to agree for it to be released.

We might jump at the chance; UEFA might want to save a total embarrassment and say no.

I thought it was more that both parties had to agree to its NOT being released? So if only one side wants to keep it under wraps it gets published anyway? Though possibly with redactions as mentioned above.
 
I thought it was more that both parties had to agree to its NOT being released? So if only one side wants to keep it under wraps it gets published anyway? Though possibly with redactions as mentioned above.
Pretty sure I read that both sides agreed it would be made public before the hearing, unless I'm getting it mixed up.
 
I agree Marvin.
CAS overall verdict is that by UEFA own rules we were incorrectly found to be guilty of the main charge.
By all means argue about bits of things but finding us guilty was a bad interpretation of their own rules.

As I read the saga as it unfolded, Uefa were adding and generally making the rules fit a certain scenario, egged on by the placemen/women(?) from various clubs, added to by nigh on half the PL.
 
But you can't escape the overall summary, and hence we can for the first time in years throw the allegations back in their face.

I was not sure CAS would redeem us, but redeem us they did. I have even seen some journalists who have been against us for years, change their tune and acknowledge the verdict, so the ground has shifted somewhat. It's now very very easy to combat Liverpool fan allegations if you so wish.
That's good to hear Marvin, I must say I haven't noticed it myself but I am glad it's happening. It would be nice to see a groundswell of positive opinion.
 
"combat Liverpool fans allegations"? ..... surely that will be an unecessary action now?. Once those fair minded, chirpy little Scousers read Shaelumstash's fantastically detailed, exhaustive rebuttal it'll be all over RAWK in an instant. They'll read it, assimilate the content, reach a fair and balanced conclusion that, as the club have insisted throughout, we are innocent of the allegations. Having arrived at said conclusion they'll issue a sincere and heartfelt apology for their errors and, in all probability light several candles in our honour.
Then blame the Chelsea fans.
 
As I read the saga as it unfolded, Uefa were adding and generally making the rules fit a certain scenario, egged on by the placemen/women(?) from various clubs, added to by nigh on half the PL.
The detail may very well be as you say but I feel it is likely to be blocked from publication. In which case my point is that UEFA were unable to make their guilty verdict stand up in a legal rather than kangaroo court.
However, if the "hateful 8" letters were actually sent it may in deed have been seen as interference in their role and may have given proof of the vendetta against us in their independent court.
 
I thought it was more that both parties had to agree to its NOT being released? So if only one side wants to keep it under wraps it gets published anyway? Though possibly with redactions as mentioned above.
Ah, right I see. Yeah makes sense
 
Sadly, I think there will be bits in the full report for the usual suspects in the media to desperately cling on to and the attacks will continue.

Even if the CAS report were to state “There was fuck all substance to any of the charges which were emphatically debunked by Manchester City’s irrefutable evidence and therefore UEFA came to an utterly bent decision when issuing such an outrageous punishment” the attacks would still continue so I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
 

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