Another new Brexit thread

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Bollocks. Leave was nothing but lies from start to finish. From fanning racial resentment to ludicrous lies about the economic benefits. All this ‘ooh remain campaign was just as bad’ is horseshit. ‘Vote Leave or the Turks will arrive in their millions’, ‘Vote leave and we can get a better deal with the EU at no cost’, yeah right, there are Nigerian Princes who would be embarrassed at promoting that scam.

The English voted for a scam, and like all scams they will cost. From £39 billion, to increased trade barriers, an internal custom border and to fuck off big lorry parks and trying to create our own regulatory environment in five months. Oh, and during a pandemic. Priceless. I mean the fuckers can’t even get a fucking track and trace app to work. Jeez.

Yeah but in 50 years time the EU will have imploded and we will be glad we fu*ked ourselves over before they could get to us....

 

[mcfc1632]

So the Russians wanted remain to win? This thread is at least good for comedy value.

There was a smiley face at the end if that post....

TBF there have been quite a few Remainer posts on here today that would have benefited from one

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Bollocks. Leave was nothing but lies from start to finish. From fanning racial resentment to ludicrous lies about the economic benefits. All this ‘ooh remain campaign was just as bad’ is horseshit. ‘Vote Leave or the Turks will arrive in their millions’, ‘Vote leave and we can get a better deal with the EU at no cost’, yeah right, there are Nigerian Princes who would be embarrassed at promoting that scam.

The English voted for a scam, and like all scams they will cost. From £39 billion, to increased trade barriers, an internal custom border and to fuck off big lorry parks and trying to create our own regulatory environment in five months. Oh, and during a pandemic. Priceless. I mean the fuckers can’t even get a fucking track and trace app to work. Jeez.

So, just to be clear remain didn't lie and waste it's time? In that case I take it all back and congratulate you for being right.

 

[Metal Biker]

So the Russians wanted remain to win? This thread is at least good for comedy value.

Dunno, why don't you ask them?

Oh wait...

 

[meltonblue]

I suggest that the reason that it is being discussed on this thread is because...........

Some Remainers have been referring to the topic often - and repeatedly - since 2016

Should Leavers not therefore point out that the level of certainty that they expressed was 'ill-founded'?

Well not really no, unless they're just as myopic or fully aware they're also doing a false equivalence.

This thread is proof there's more similarities in behaviours from those entrenched on either side than people realise though so it wouldn't surprise me!

 

[Saddleworth2]

I suggest that the reason that it is being discussed on this thread is because...........

Some Remainers have been referring to the topic often - and repeatedly - since 2016

Should Leavers not therefore point out that the level of certainty that they expressed was 'ill-founded'?

'The British government and intelligence agencies failed to prepare or conduct any proper assessment of Kremlin attempts to interfere with the 2016 Brexit referendum, according to the long-delayed Russia report.

The damning conclusion is contained within the 50-page document from parliament’s intelligence and security committee, which said ministers in effect turned a blind eye to allegations of Russian disruption.

It said the government “had not seen or sought evidence of successful interference in UK democratic processes” at the time, and it made clear that no serious effort was made to do so.

The committee, which scrutinises the work of Britain’s spy agencies, said: “We have not been provided with any post-referendum assessment of Russian attempts at interference”. It contrasted the response with that of the US.'

Ill founded? Not sure you can claim that.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It said the government “had not seen or sought evidence of successful interference in UK democratic processes” at the time, and it made clear that no serious effort was made to do so.

The committee, which scrutinises the work of Britain’s spy agencies, said: “We have not been provided with any post-referendum assessment of Russian attempts at interference”.
Apparently there are loads of other countries we didn't investigate either. There is no evidence - so it must have happened.

 

[Metal Biker]

It said the government “had not seen or sought evidence of successful interference in UK democratic processes” at the time, and it made clear that no serious effort was made to do so.

The committee, which scrutinises the work of Britain’s spy agencies, said: “We have not been provided with any post-referendum assessment of Russian attempts at interference”.
Apparently there are loads of other countries we didn't investigate either. There is no evidence - so it must have happened.

I don't know about you, but I fully expect my Intelligence Agencies to spend thousands, fully investigating a claim based on a 'hunch' from the origins of sulky faces "who just know" that a democratic vote that they lost is fraudulent, based solely on the fact they lost it and cannot conceive any other possibility that they did, other than the reality that more people disagreed with them rather than agreed, because reasons.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I don't know about you, but I fully expect my Intelligence Agencies to spend thousands, fully investigating a claim based on a 'hunch' from the origins of sulky faces "who just know" that a democratic vote that they lost is fraudulent, based solely on the fact they lost it and cannot conceive any other possibility that they did, other than the reality that more people disagreed with them rather than agreed, because reasons.

All roads lead to revoke/remain or another referendum it seems ;-)
This Russia thing is more steaming cow pat than smoking gun. Essentially there is no evidence - so the conclusion seems to be we didn't look hard enough :-)

 

[Metal Biker]

All roads lead to revoke/remain or another referendum it seems ;-)
This Russia thing is more steaming cow pat than smoking gun. Essentially there is no evidence - so the conclusion seems to be we didn't look hard enough :-)

It's the Liverpool/CAS argument against City.
The very concept that the reason why they didn't bother being that there was nothing to go on other than angry twitter accounts claims, is one that won't even cross people's minds.

Guilty until proven innocent, try convincing them otherwise.

 

[meltonblue]

I’m not sure if this is people being deliberately disingenuous but even the first report said there was strong evidence of interference. What was argued at the time and was never subsequently investigated was how successful it was or the full details of it.

To say there was no evidence of interference is simply wrong.

 

[Metal Biker]

I’m not sure if this is people being deliberately disingenuous but even the first report said there was strong evidence of interference. What was argued at the time and was never subsequently investigated was how successful it was or the full details of it.

To say there was no evidence of interference is simply wrong.

What sort of "Interference"?

How would this interference affect the outcome of elections and referendums?

How would this interference directly cause a British citizen to vote in a certain way, and can such influence be proven?

Some answers, please.

 

[meltonblue]

What sort of "Interference"?

How would this interference affect the outcome of elections and referendums?

How would this interference directly cause a British citizen to vote in a certain way, and can such influence be proven?

Some answers, please.

Id suggest reading the first report, all of that is answered (or explained why it couldn’t be).

Given my point was arguing about people saying there was a lack of any evidence of interference though, that’s quite a quick evolution!

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Another racist right wing idiot....

 

[Metal Biker]

Another racist right wing idiot....

The original Farage.

 

[Vic]

Benn's questions

"If one meets a powerful person – Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler - one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? ”

Now then Mr Cummings, what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Benn's questions

"If one meets a powerful person – Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler - one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? ”

Now then Mr Cummings, what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you?

Cummings is Boris's axe man. If he fails then Boris fails and electorate kick Boris and therefore Cummings out.
So your analogy fails on every level.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Benn's questions

"If one meets a powerful person – Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler - one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? ”

Now then Mr Cummings, what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you?

Absolutely - Benns speech was of its time so focused on Mandelson, but the adviser thing is a scourge of all modern leaders it seems.

 

[Ban-jani]

What sort of "Interference"?

How would this interference affect the outcome of elections and referendums?

How would this interference directly cause a British citizen to vote in a certain way, and can such influence be proven?

Some answers, please.

I Tweeted that Brexit was a shit idea in 2016, I apologise for interfering in the referendum.

 

[Ban-jani]

Benn's questions

"If one meets a powerful person – Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler - one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? ”

Now then Mr Cummings, what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you?

Cummings was fed up with politics in 2015, the key leave stakeholders had to do a lot of convincing to get him to run it.

Since then he’s been given another shot by riding rough with the Tories, who he despises but anyway, that’s another point, your post doesn’t work with Cummings, he’s not power hungry, he just wants a stage to inject his innovation.