Donald Trump

[MillionMilesAway]

Such a weird coincidence that all of the Black candidates also happen to potentially not be real Americans.

It was a bit odd - he was asked about it rather than raised it himself. Something about Harris being an anchor baby, rather than not being born there. I'm not clear on what it means.

Having only just heard, he did still know that the lawyer was highly respected!

He did also say that presumably the Democrats had checked her eligibility.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Next he’ll be accusing him of being a Chelsea fan.

He's a Dipper's Fan. Essentially the same thing.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Pretty much confirming what we know already about the Russian cyber campaign to attempt to affect the outcome of the upcoming US election.

https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/blog/pdfs/Ghostwriter-Influence-Campaign.pdf

 

[pudge]

In fairness, this is no more factual than @SebastianBlue nonsensical claims of an election being stolen.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Can anyone spot the weird thing about this tweet?

Other than it comes from a dead man’s website, would died of COVID?

 

[SWP's back]

Other than it comes from a dead man’s website, would died of COVID?

They’ve now changed the name to the Cain Gang but it was originally put out under his name and picture yeah.

 

[mat]

Such a weird coincidence that all of the Black candidates also happen to potentially not be real Americans.

Took a bit longer than i expected but there it is in all it’s racist dog whistle glory...

 

[SebastianBlue]

I posted that yesterday, as well.

And he’ll ignore it or dismiss it as “merely lib-triggering words”, as he has done with all of the evidence presented in this thread and in the world-at-large by scholars, journalists, whistleblowers, and even Trump’s former subordinates.

He’ll simply endlessly ask for “evidence”, as if none has been presented directly to him by Trump himself, much less active posters in this thread.

He is not here to discuss in good faith so I have come to the conclusion it is best to disengage with him. Let him spout his veiled QAnonsense and disparage anyone calling attention to the endless examples of Trump’s malfeasance, without response.

As is the case for most Trump supporters, his intention is not to debate reasonably to find fact or truth in order to fully expose our reality. His goal is to occupy the “opposition’s” time with infuriatingly circular arguments with no basis in reality. It is meant to make us question our reality and wear us down in to frustrated submission.

Don’t give him the satisfaction of taking even a moment of your time toward that endeavour.

 

[kaz7]

Trump brokers the 'Abraham Accord', the deal will temporarily hold-off the West Bank annexation.

Israel and UAE agree to 'historical peace agreement', says Donald Trump – video

US officials described the agreement, to be known as the Abraham Accords, as the first of its kind since Israel and Jordan signed a peace treaty in 1994. It also gives Trump a foreign policy success as he seeks re-election in November

www.theguardian.com

i don't think Americans care about things like that at the moment,they are losing well over a thousand people to covid every single day

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I posted that yesterday, as well.

And he’ll ignore it or dismiss it as “merely lib-triggering words”, as he has done with all of the evidence presented in this thread and in the world-at-large by scholars, journalists, whistleblowers, and even Trump’s former subordinates.

He’ll simply endlessly ask for “evidence”, as if none has been presented directly to him by Trump himself, much less active posters in this thread.

He is not here to discuss in good faith so I have come to the conclusion it is best to disengage with him. Let him spout his veiled QAnonsense and disparage anyone calling attention to the endless examples of Trump’s malfeasance, without response.

As is the case for most Trump supporters, his intention is not to debate reasonably to find fact or truth in order to fully expose our reality. His goal is to occupy the “opposition’s” time with infuriatingly circular arguments with no basis in reality. It is meant to make us question our reality and wear us down in to frustrated submission.

Don’t give him the satisfaction of taking even a moment of your time toward that endeavour.

Support for Trump is either an intellectual failing, a moral failing, a psychological failing or a work-ethic failing.

I'll die on this hill.

 

[west didsblue]

I posted that yesterday, as well.

And he’ll ignore it or dismiss it as “merely lib-triggering words”, as he has done with all of the evidence presented in this thread and in the world-at-large by scholars, journalists, whistleblowers, and even Trump’s former subordinates.

He’ll simply endlessly ask for “evidence”, as if none has been presented directly to him by Trump himself, much less active posters in this thread.

He is not here to discuss in good faith so I have come to the conclusion it is best to disengage with him. Let him spout his veiled QAnonsense and disparage anyone calling attention to the endless examples of Trump’s malfeasance, without response.

As is the case for most Trump supporters, his intention is not to debate reasonably to find fact or truth in order to fully expose our reality. His goal is to occupy the “opposition’s” time with infuriatingly circular arguments with no basis in reality. It is meant to make us question our reality and wear us down in to frustrated submission.

Don’t give him the satisfaction of taking even a moment of your time toward that endeavour.

Is there anything Congress or the courts can do, other than invoke the 25th, to stop his assault on the basic functions that make the USA a democracy? For example, can they force out Trump’s man at USPS and put in place someone suitable to run the service properly?

 

[west didsblue]

Support for Trump is either an intellectual failing, a moral failing, a psychological failing or a work-ethic failing.

I'll die on this hill.

In most cases, all 4.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Support for Trump is either an intellectual failing, a moral failing, a psychological failing or a work-ethic failing.

I'll die on this hill.

It’s often all of those, but I’ve decided to stop wasting my time trying to reason with those that cannot be reasoned with.

There are many hills I will gladly die on, but trying to free the minds of hardened Trumpers is not one of them, as it only adds one more body to the heap they use to feel empowered and maintain relevance.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It’s often all of those, but I’ve decided to stop wasting my time trying to reason with those that cannot be reasoned with.

There are many hills I will gladly die on, but trying to free the minds of hardened Trumpers is not one of them, as it only adds one more body to the heap they use to feel empowered and maintain relevance.

It's extremely hard to deprogram cult members, and to convince addicts to get treatment. I'm reasonably confident that if Trump showed up at their door saying "I want to rape your golden retriever", they'd be happy to allow him to do it and consider it an honor.

 

[SebastianBlue]

It's extremely hard to deprogram cult members, and to convince addicts to get treatment. I'm reasonably confident that if Trump showed up at their door saying "I want to rape your golden retriever", they'd be happy to allow him to do it and consider it an honor.

They wouldn’t just let him violate their dog, they would kidnap the other dogs in the neighbourhood in the middle of the day, in full view of everyone, and present them as an additional offering.

And when their furious neighbours confronted them about the heinous act they would simple ask “where is the evidence?”

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Just saw it. That guy will be getting his press pass revoked pretty sharpish I bet.

Huffington Post bloke apparently.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Is there anything Congress or the courts can do, other than invoke the 25th, to stop his assault on the basic functions that make the USA a democracy? For example, can they force out Trump’s man at USPS and put in place someone suitable to run the service properly?

They can’t do much about the agency changes without passing legislation that would further restrict his powers and broaden congressional oversight. And that will not happen with the current composition of the senate. Not to mention any such legislation would likely be challenged in court as unconstitutional (violating Article II).

They could impeach and remove him for this and many other high crimes and misdemeanours, on the basis that it amounts to illegal subversion of an election, but we have already seen that the “remove” action is extremely unlikely to occur unless, again, the democrats are able to take the senate (and hold the house), which would not be helpful until after the election where that composition shift could occur.

At this point the courts are the only real option but the executive powers for agency oversight, including by-proxy restructuring of the agencies themselves, are very strong. Which means they probably wouldn’t be successful and the cases would drag out beyond the election, anyway. That is one of the many failings of how the office of POTUS has been allowed to develop over time.

As I have said many times, part of Trump and co’s plan is to do as much damage as possible before any remedies could be identified and implemented. Rule of law and congressional oversight is a slow, methodical process, and aspiring dictators know that and use it to their advantage.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

They can’t do much about the agency changes without passing legislation that would further restrict his powers and broaden congressional oversight. And that will not happen with the current composition of the senate. Not to mention any such legislation would likely be challenged in court as unconstitutional (violating Article II).

They could impeach and remove him for this and many other high crimes and misdemeanours, on the basis that it amounts to illegal subversion of an election, but we have already seen that the “remove” action is extremely unlikely to occur unless, again, the democrats are able to take the senate (and hold the house), which would not be helpful until after the election where that composition shift would occur.

At this point the courts are the only real option but the executive powers for agency oversight, including by-proxy restructuring of the agencies themselves, are very strong. Which means they probably wouldn’t be successful and the cases would drag out beyond the election, anyway. That is one of the many failings of how the office of POTUS has been allowed to develop over time.

As I have said many times, part of Trump and co’s plan is to do as much damage as possible before any remedies could be identified and implemented. Rule of law and congressional oversight is a slow, methodical process, and aspiring dictators know that and use it to their advantage.

It seems crazy that such blatant corruption can go unchallenged. Its almost like they are hoping for a 20 point win that well get counted as a 5 point win. But what if Trump wins it 51/49 in a couple of swing states where the count was a mess.

 

[SebastianBlue]

It seems crazy that such blatant corruption can go unchallenged. Its almost like they are hoping for a 20 point win that well get counted as a 5 point win. But what if Trump wins it 51/49 in a couple of swing states where the count was a mess.

It is crazy, mate. These are crazy, unprecedented times that very few people along the course of recent history ever thought possible.

Which, again, continues to be one of the existential issues both we and the Americans refuse to face: our unassailable belief in the exceptionalism of our culture that will ensure norms and laws are followed no matter the dangers that shall arise (internal or external; in this case both, simultaneously).

It is a hubris that has been the downfall of most of the “great” civilisations in history.

And, to your other point about the illegal manipulation of the election: if Trump “wins” the election, it will almost assuredly be via a close vote “majority” in certain swing states, of whom many have received preferential treatment from the Trump admin *and* also just so happened to experience “issues” with their mail-in voting and/or in-person voting processes.

They don’t care how close it is, or how corrupt it looks, they just want to “win” to maintain power and shield themselves from the consequences of their corruption and heinous acts. Their supporters, as @FogBlueInSanFran and have been discussing, will not only believe the outcome to be just and fair, but they will preach the new gospel to the heathen masses, regardless of evidence to the contrary.

In fact, winning corruptly, and ensuring no actual consequences befall them because of it, further entrenches their power.

We can only hope that Trump’s (and we really mean his camp, as he can barely strategise tying his shoes, much less a complex manipulation campaign) efforts to subvert the election are not successful.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

It is crazy, mate. These are crazy, unprecedented times that very few people along the course of recent history ever thought possible.

Which, again, continues to be one of the existential issues both we and the Americans refuse to face: our unassailable belief in the exceptionalism of our culture that will ensure norms and laws are followed no matter the dangers that shall arise (internal or external; in this case both, simultaneously).

It is a hubris that has been the downfall of most of the “great” civilisations in history.

And, to your other point about the illegal manipulation of the election: if Trump “wins” the election, it will almost assuredly be via a close vote “majority” in certain swing states, of whom many have received preferential treatment from the Trump admin *and* also just so happened to experience “issues” with their mail-in voting and/or in-person voting processes.

They don’t care how close it is, or how corrupt it looks, they just want to “win” to maintain power and shield themselves from the consequences of their corruption and heinous acts. Their supportOTS, as @FogBlueInSanFran and have been discussing, will not only believe the outcome to be just and fair, but they will preach the new gospel to the heathen masses, regardless of evidence to the contrary.

In fact, winning corruptly, and ensuring no actual consequences befall them because of it, further entrenches their power.

We can only hope that Trump’s (and we really mean his camp, as he can barely strategise tying his shoes, much less a complex manipulation campaign) efforts to subvert the election are not successful.

It is corrupt, clear as day. The question is what if he wins a close race. What then.