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Wtf was that convention thing last night? Are they all like that?
I lost interest really quickly,i know if was virtual rather in person but it seemed very stilted,michelle was magnificent as usual and trumps reaction to her was funny and tragic
 
kaz7 said:
Wtf was that convention thing last night? Are they all like that?
I lost interest really quickly,i know if was virtual rather in person but it seemed very stilted,michelle was magnificent as usual and trumps reaction to her was funny and tragic
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It's the equivalent of our parties conference. Looks and feels different without a Partizan crowd and the "on the floor" drama that usually takes places when the votes start.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The evangelicals are quite possibly in general the worst human beings on the planet.
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Let me offer a counter to this, albeit one borne of limited personal experience. I know many evangelical people. I worked for an evangelical company for five years (CEO, President, CFO and a significant number of employees) and I have a number of friends who are evangelical (my real estate attorney and sports pool buddy, and the pastor of the Baptist church in town and his wife whose son and mine have been friends since infanthood, just to name those I'm closest to). The evangelicals I know -- to a person -- NEVER discuss politics and very rarely discuss their religious beliefs in terms of dogmatic specificity, although they do discuss the importance of their faith if asked. They are kind, generous, open, bright, accepting of others and fun to be around. There is nothing sanctimonious or pious about them. Their families are everything to them. Now granted -- those I'm referring to almost all have advanced degrees, whether JDs, MBAs, MSs or PhD's in divinity.

My guess is those that I know would be highly, highly troubled by Trump's amorality.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
Let me offer a counter to this, albeit one borne of limited personal experience. I know many evangelical people. I worked for an evangelical company for five years (CEO, President, CFO and a significant number of employees) and I have a number of friends who are evangelical (my real estate attorney and sports pool buddy, and the pastor of the Baptist church in town and his wife whose son and mine have been friends since infanthood, just to name those I'm closest to). The evangelicals I know -- to a person -- NEVER discuss politics and very rarely discuss their religious beliefs in terms of dogmatic specificity, although they do discuss the importance of their faith if asked. They are kind, generous, open, bright, accepting of others and fun to be around. There is nothing sanctimonious or pious about them. Their families are everything to them. Now granted -- those I'm referring to almost all have advanced degrees, whether JDs, MBAs, MSs or PhD's in divinity.

My guess is those that I know would be highly, highly troubled by Trump's amorality.
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I have had similar experiences with the evangelical people that I have known or encountered during my time here as far as their rarely publicly talking about politics. I am not sure anyone was arguing they openly and fervently do so — I certainly wasn’t. I was only speaking to their general beliefs and motivations from my own experience and many write-ups about the evangelical Christian community’s general relationship with Trump.

However, nearly all of those that I have encountered, when they did speak about politics, showed support (some strong) of Trump, and especially in connection with his actions (whether real or perceived) taken concerning Israel, the gay community, and abortion rights. I actually do not talk to a person from my Wednesday night league team from a few years ago because we had a falling out over a heated debate about Trump; they are very much an evangelical christian.

They did/do discuss their religious beliefs quite often. Some of those I have met, but not all, held advanced degrees, but not in religious studies (engineering, maths, and medicine).

This is of course also borne out of my limited personal experience. Though, based on a few analysis I have read, this seems to be more in keeping with the general trends in the evangelical community as a whole. It seems as though your friends are among the few I referenced in my original post (I said most, not all) that are sensible, relatively free-thinking, and not members of the apocalypse cult. And that is very good indeed!

Perhaps there is a difference in demeanour and core beliefs between Southern, Eastern and Western evangelicals? It is my understanding that the Sourthern block, which is considered to be the closest to Trump, is the largest, though.

But, and I think this is the bigger question (given anyone can remain silent publicly and still support deplorable things privately): is there actually a difference in their private politics and voting behaviour?

Are most evangelicals “troubled” by Trump’s amorality like Susan Collins or like John Lewis?
 
kaz7 said:
Lol,how fucking stupid is he
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Maths has the answer:

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(He possess infinite stupidity.)
 
SebastianBlue said:
I have had similar experiences with the evangelical people that I have known or encountered during my time here as far as their rarely publicly talking about politics. I am not sure anyone was arguing they openly and fervently do so — I certainly wasn’t. I was only speaking to their general beliefs and motivations from my own experience and many write-ups about the evangelical Christian community’s general relationship with Trump.

However, nearly all of those that I have encountered, when they did speak about politics, showed support (some strong) of Trump, and especially in connection with his actions (whether real or perceived) taken concerning Israel, the gay community, and abortion rights. I actually do not talk to a person from my Wednesday night league team from a few years ago because we had a falling out over a heated debate about Trump; they are very much an evangelical christian.

They did/do discuss their religious beliefs quite often. Some of those I have met, but not all, held advanced degrees, but not in religious studies (engineering, maths, and medicine).

This is of course also borne out of my limited personal experience. Though, based on a few analysis I have read, this seems to be more in keeping with the general trends in the evangelical community as a whole. It seems as though your friends are among the few I referenced in my original post (I said most, not all) that are sensible, relatively free-thinking, and not members of the apocalypse cult. And that is very good indeed!

Perhaps there is a difference in demeanour and core beliefs between Southern, Eastern and Western evangelicals? It is my understanding that the Sourthern block, which is considered to be the closest to Trump, is the largest, though.

But, and I think this is the bigger question (given anyone can remain silent publicly and still support deplorable things privately): is there actually a difference in their private politics and voting behaviour?

Are most evangelicals “troubled” by Trump’s amorality like Susan Collins or like John Lewis?
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It might be because all the evangelicals I am close to are in or from California -- Orange County was where the company I worked for was (long a hub of evangelical groups and once very conservative, although as the county has diversified racially, it's now turned bluer, and folks who worked there with me were from all over the nation); my RE attorney is in LA but grew up in a small farming town in central CA where his dad was a minister, and my friend the local pastor is originally from Oklahoma and his wife is Canadian (BC).

As a very liberal state perhaps all have learned to keep a low profile politically whether from here of having moved here.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It might be because all the evangelicals I am close to are in or from California -- Orange County was where the company I worked for was (long a hub of evangelical groups and once very conservative, although as the county has diversified racially, it's now turned bluer, and folks who worked there with me were from all over the nation); my RE attorney is in LA but grew up in a small farming town in central CA where his dad was a minister, and my friend the local pastor is originally from Oklahoma and his wife is Canadian (BC).

As a very liberal state perhaps all have learned to keep a low profile politically whether from here of having moved here.
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That does seem a reasonable explanation for the difference in demeanour and our personal experiences.

The gentleman that actively no longer speaks to me was born and raised in Georgia before moving to Boston later in life. From my other experiences he seems fairly representative of most southern evangelicals. He also no longer speaks to one of my very good mates after they — I jest not — got in to a fight about Old Testament teachings and the evangelical in question made a “you killed Jesus, so you can’t be trusted in these sorts of debates” comment. It was all we could do not to show him the floor.

I think native Eastern (New England) evangelicals are somewhere between Western and Southern, likely due to the conservative religious tradition in the Northeast. They probably hold similar views (it’s not a political shift), they just don’t like to share them in the religious context because that’s not how people generally act here.
 
SebastianBlue said:
That does seem a reasonable explanation for the difference in demeanour and our personal experiences.

The gentleman that actively no longer speaks to me was born and raised in Georgia before moving to Boston later in life. From my other experiences he seems fairly representative of most southern evangelicals. He also no longer speaks to one of my very good mates after they — I jest not — got in to a fight about Old Testament teachings and the evangelical in question made a “you killed Jesus, so you can’t be trusted in these sorts of debates” comment. It was all we could do not to show him the floor.

I think native Eastern (New England) evangelicals are somewhere between Western and Southern, likely due to the conservative religious tradition in the Northeast. They probably hold similar views (it’s not a political shift), they just don’t like to share them in the religious context because that’s not how people generally act here.
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I think the fire and brimstone side can be very dangerous and sets up oppositions that are ironclad between right and wrong and good and evil, whereas the "love your neighbo(u)r as yourself", "do good works, help others and bear fruit" school approaches faith differently.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I think the fire and brimstone side can be very dangerous and sets up oppositions that are ironclad between right and wrong and good and evil, whereas the "love your neighbo(u)r as yourself", "do good works, help others and bear fruit" school approaches faith differently.
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I completely agree.

It is just a matter of the general composition of the evangelical community, and most of what I have seen, read, and experienced seems to have it leaning heavily toward the “fire and brimstone”, “prosperity doctrine”, “do as I say, not as I do”, and “apocolypse cult” varieties.

Those together lead to strangely antithetical support of Trump, despite his obvious indifference (if not opposition) to many of their beliefs and religious tenets.

There is a reason he is referencing them in so many of his campaigns rants and continues to court them with outrageous attempts to circumvent established law and precedent.
 
SWP's back said:
I liked it when Trump highlighter the fact that 20,000 more Americans had died since Michelle recorded her video for the conference.

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That was over 4 hours ago - he had better make another speech as there will be more dead for him to gloat over
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Marco has a 'weird' take on that report. Bear in mind this is the guy Donny referred to as 'little Marco' during the Republican Primary in the run up to 2016.

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That tweet by Rubio is fucking bizarre. If he’d announced we’d actually beat Lyon on Saturday it wouldn’t have been any less accurate than that tweet and its embedded recording.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Smoke and mirrors.

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Exactly.

He said he was 'suspending' the policies. There's no time limit on his suspension, and he didn't say he was reversing them. They have already removed hundreds, if not thousands of post boxes from prime Democratic voting districts, and many of the sorting machines that were 'decommissioned have already been scrapped or destroyed.

The damage has already been done, and yet you just know Trump is going to claim this as a 'victory for democracy', and the MSM will lap it up.
 
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