No, but we know FFP ain't dead yet and he won't be the only addition.
Not hard to understand, is it?
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No, but we know FFP ain't dead yet and he won't be the only addition.
Not hard to understand, is it?
Tugay One Cup
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Can't fucking wait for this guy to be in our starting lineup.
I honestly get how people have had reservations about his age and recent form and, to a much lesser extent, his pricetag but he is a huge and immediate improvement on what he will be replacing and that, for me, is far more important than anything else.
Now watch him twat it into his own top corner on his debut.
I honestly get how people have had reservations about his age and recent form and, to a much lesser extent, his pricetag but he is a huge and immediate improvement on what he will be replacing and that, for me, is far more important than anything else.
Now watch him twat it into his own top corner on his debut.
Not a worryWhat??? U have direct access to Txiki
I will make sure to tag you in all my rants.
Cheers buddy
ADegenerate
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Can't fucking wait for this guy to be in our starting lineup.
I honestly get how people have had reservations about his age and recent form and, to a much lesser extent, his pricetag but he is a huge and immediate improvement on what he will be replacing and that, for me, is far more important than anything else.
Now watch him twat it into his own top corner on his debut.
Be more than fine with that. Look how it worked out for Alaba.
Hart of the Matter
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Difference in transfer prices is a marginal consideration. Once you factor in wages and agents fees you get a total package cost. This obsession with transfer fees is played out on the likes of sky for numpties to get wound up by.No, but we know FFP ain't dead yet and he won't be the only addition.
Not hard to understand, is it?
Difference in transfer prices is a marginal consideration. Once you factor in wages and agents fees you get a total package cost. This obsession with transfer fees is played out on the likes of sky for numpties to get wound up by.
I get what you are saying, but surely paying 70m Euros vs 90m Euros is a big difference especially in these times, and not marginal.(that's why I wrote i was happy with 70m euros)
Also with regards to wages, city have always been smart in that regard. He is going to be on around 125k/week from what I have seen in multiple reports, so in line to other defenders we have, so that wasn't an issue.
Ye and let's give away any chance of retaining the title.
It wasn't just because our defence that we didn't mount a challenge this season though. It was mostly because we had too many games where we didn't take our chances.It would be great to mount a PL title challenge instead. Only my opinion though
For next season we already have Aké and then hopefully Laporte can stay fit. I'm far from convinced that Koulibaly is a huge upgrade on Stones for example. I haven't watched him a lot but every time I watched him he's been awful and according to those who watch him every week in Serie A he's had a poor season. He's 29 years old and 70m is a huge investment. I'd much rather splash 100m out for Upamecano now instead of getting Koulibaly for 70.
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Didn't mean to sound like a shitty response but this obsession with transfer fees gets on my man tits.I get what you are saying, but surely paying 70m Euros vs 90m Euros is a big difference especially in these times, and not marginal.(that's why I wrote i was happy with 70m euros)
Also with regards to wages, city have always been smart in that regard. He is going to be on around 125k/week from what I have seen in multiple reports, so in line to other defenders we have, so that wasn't an issue.
Sanchez was a free transfer and will cost United upwards of 200m but was a net spend of 0 according to Sky etc.
But, If we sell John Stones for 25m and buy KK for 63 this will be seen as net minus 38m.
The reality is JS has run down 3/5 of his transfer fee (so we still owe 20m of the original 50m).
Stones is off books at 10m year amortised transfer fee. KK on books for a little over 12m a year. Even if fee was 70m it would be around 14m a year. Assuming wages are similar then annual net spend is between plus2m and 4m on books. Marginal as I said...
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Neville Kneville
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No, but we know FFP ain't dead yet and he won't be the only addition.
Not hard to understand, is it?
But if you think about it, he may be the cheapest one.
citytill1die84
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It wasn't just because our defence that we didn't mount a challenge this season though. It was mostly because we had too many games where we didn't take our chances.
For next season we already have Aké and then hopefully Laporte can stay fit. I'm far from convinced that Koulibaly is a huge upgrade on Stones for example. I haven't watched him a lot but every time I watched him he's been awful and according to those who watch him every week in Serie A he's had a poor season. He's 29 years old and 70m is a huge investment. I'd much rather splash 100m out for Upamecano now instead of getting Koulibaly for 70.
You haven't watched him a lot but you're not convinced he's a huge upgrade on Stones? Lol
He's miles better than Stones. Our defence is absolutely gash and it's the number 1 reason we lost the league so easily, you can't always rely on scoring loads of goals you've also got to keep them out.
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doesnt make good headlines though does it mateDidn't mean to sound like a shitty response but this obsession with transfer fees gets on my man tits.
Sanchez was a free transfer and will cost United upwards of 200m but was a net spend of 0 according to Sky etc.
But, If we sell John Stones for 25m and buy KK for 63 this will be seen as net minus 38m.
The reality is JS has run down 3/5 of his transfer fee (so we still owe 20m of the original 50m).
Stones is off books at 10m year amortised transfer fee. KK on books for a little over 12m a year. Even if fee was 70m it would be around 14m a year. Assuming wages are similar then annual net spend is between plus2m and 4m on books. Marginal as I said...
But if you think about it, he may be the cheapest one.
Well, it's certainly is a Position, which needs an immediate solution, so that Pep doesn't try any more fancy formation as he clearly doesn't trust stones / nico and atleast one of them is getting sold
Just read a reliable barca source, saying they will push to get Garcia signed regardless of the circus going on there
Nope. With that said I'm one of few people that still rate Stones and think he'll be good enough if he can just stay injury free.You haven't watched him a lot but you're not convinced he's a huge upgrade on Stones? Lol
He's miles better than Stones. Our defence is absolutely gash and it's the number 1 reason we lost the league so easily, you can't always rely on scoring loads of goals you've also got to keep them out.
No it isn't. We had the least number of expected goals against in the league and Liverpool only conceded 2 less goals than we did. Our problem was that when the games were level or we were a goal down he couldn't finish a shit while Liverpool were lethal in those moments. That was the difference between us and them this season.
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It’s been a while since we bought from the top table and it’s about time we start again.
Major deal and it should solidify our back line massively. Him and Laporte together should be unreal.
Major deal and it should solidify our back line massively. Him and Laporte together should be unreal.
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Get it done then get a left back midfielder and striker in.
You also can't rely on keeping goals out, the best defensive team doesn't always win the league.You haven't watched him a lot but you're not convinced he's a huge upgrade on Stones? Lol
He's miles better than Stones. Our defence is absolutely gash and it's the number 1 reason we lost the league so easily, you can't always rely on scoring loads of goals you've also got to keep them out.
Not entirely true, though i do agree to an extent. Think of the games where we missed those chances. Norwich, southampton, wolves both games, Lyon, Chelsea, United away, we made awful defensive mistakes to gift the opposition goals. We need to be more clinical, but lets not get away from the fact that when put under pressure at the back we have been absolutely shocking. Getting a strong right sided CB to partner Laporte is absolutely critical and if we don't, we will have the same defensive woes we had this season gone.Nope. With that said I'm one of few people that still rate Stones and think he'll be good enough if he can just stay injury free.
No it isn't. We had the least number of expected goals against in the league and Liverpool only conceded 2 less goals than we did. Our problem was that when the games were level or we were a goal down he couldn't finish a shit while Liverpool were lethal in those moments. That was the difference between us and them this season.
Didn't mean to sound like a shitty response but this obsession with transfer fees gets on my man tits.
Sanchez was a free transfer and will cost United upwards of 200m but was a net spend of 0 according to Sky etc.
But, If we sell John Stones for 25m and buy KK for 63 this will be seen as net minus 38m.
The reality is JS has run down 3/5 of his transfer fee (so we still owe 20m of the original 50m).
Stones is off books at 10m year amortised transfer fee. KK on books for a little over 12m a year. Even if fee was 70m it would be around 14m a year. Assuming wages are similar then annual net spend is between plus2m and 4m on books. Marginal as I said...
Sanchez case is not similar to Koulibaly (you have clearly misunderstood my point) . That would be more likely comparably to, IF Messi moves here on a free, BUT with astronomical wages.
Your point maybe valid, IF he was going to be our only signing but by all indications it isn't and there incomings as well.
People may slate Txiki, but he ain't a fool, with them haggling over transfer fees ( mangala the obvious exception in hindsight).
You also can't rely on keeping goals out, the best defensive team doesn't always win the league.
Considering we conceded 20 goals (35 all season) in those 9 defeats, and in 8 of those games conceded 2 or more. That to me is defensively poor, you don't deserve to win the league with stats like that.
citytill1die84
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Nope. With that said I'm one of few people that still rate Stones and think he'll be good enough if he can just stay injury free.
No it isn't. We had the least number of expected goals against in the league and Liverpool only conceded 2 less goals than we did. Our problem was that when the games were level or we were a goal down he couldn't finish a shit while Liverpool were lethal in those moments. That was the difference between us and them this season.
We concede with pretty much every shot we are faced with. I'm also not interested in that bollocks stat number of expected goals against I see how bad we defend with my own eyes. When Liverpool won the league they'd conceded 20 goals in 32 games after it they conceded 12 in 6 I think they relaxed a little don't u?