I agree with you mate. My Dad and his brother bang on about how better off we will be without the EU sponging off us and that post WW2 we did alright. My Dad was 4 at the end of the war and his brother yet to be born so fuck knows how they know that.
You then engage in further conversation they tell you how poor they were - how hungry - how my Granddad worked 2 jobs to try and make ends meet and how he died young, worked to death by dirty jobs with little or no protection from dust/fumes/toxic materials.
I have given up trying to point out how workers protections have come in with the EU rights we acquired through membership and they just flatly deny it.
You talk about phones well he knows how to work his alright. He gets everything via his phone - he has binned off the TV ( BBC bias, tax on the elderly - usual bollocks - he gets a free license anyway! ) and has binned off the BT phone ( the govt are listening in to your calls it seems ) and just uses his phone for everything. You can imagine what thats done to his thinking. I seldom speak to him now.
I'd never call you a scumbag but it is puerile to perpetuate this nonsense. You're not scumbags or stupid for voting for Brexit (or not) but it is stupid to expect someone to give up on their conviction that Brexit is stupid, and that they should not try and persuade people they made a mistake.Aye, there's more than a goodly few of us scumbags about, that's why I admired the bravery in confronting us.
I wouldn't know. I've never done it. I've abused those lying liars who promoted it.I voted the way Vic wanted in 2016 just to highlight, Ive realised in December abusing people who didn’t is both immoral and doesn’t work.
I wouldn't know. I've never done it. I've abused those lying liars who promoted it.
I don't think it's as simple as social media because many wanted this from the outset. Whenever I used to go into the pub with my dad and his mates and we chatted about Brexit, they all had the same view to leave and none of them would consider anything else. Some of them can barely work their phones let alone social media and they knew exactly what they wanted before the referendum was even called and that still hasn't changed.
It needs to be remembered that leave won a victory to have the referendum in the first place. Labour suffered a defeat in 2015 because Miliband refused to offer a referendum. We've had 2 elections since and the only time Labour did well is when they offered to accept and honour the referendum result. That one time they wouldn't honour the referendum (last year) they suffered their worst election loss in almost a century.
I have never changed my mind that Brexit is indeed a bad idea but I also haven't changed my mind that we have to go through with it if only to put it to bed. The consequences of cancelling Brexit would be beneficial in most respects but regardless of anything else it's a fact that it would be exceptionally damaging to us as a democracy and society.
God only knows what's to come but the only small good in all of it is that more people wanted it and they made it so. For whatever reason that was we can never fully know nor can we judge.
I have said this before - and when you look at Barniers comments today patience is running out. We go on a damaging No Deal basis and this lot blame the EU for it. If we get nowhere next round of talks they could pull the rug from under Johnsons feet by effectively booting us out on a No Deal - remember they have been preparing for one were it to happen - cast us adrift and turn back the rubber dinghies trying to escape into the EU from the UK.
That's the great thing about twitter - unbiased comment that fits your own view, or you just unfollow it.
The place is poison.That's the great thing about twitter - unbiased comment that fits your own view, or you just unfollow it.
Hate is a powerful thing. It influences, it forms opinions. What's worse is that it is infectious amongst the opinionated. I don't hate those who voted remain; I even side with many of their arguments, it's just that I was deeply opposed to the organisation of the EU as it stood.The place is poison.
Three years ago I worked myself up into hating leave voters, basically from being fed information from Twitter, I’ve thankfully learned from it and now I make a point of calling it out.
It is a form of bigotry.
To further sweeten the deal, we should accept the Euro, join the Eurozone, and sacrifice two dozen Brits to the European Parliament every month.I reckon to get a deal.
we should give them full access to our fishing waters .
we should totally be bound by their laws and also accept the eu state aid rules ( which France and germany are free to ignore )
also if that’s not enough money as well.
throw Scotland in at the 11th hour if needed .
but at least we will have a deal.
To further sweeten the deal, we should accept the Euro, join the Eurozone, and sacrifice two dozen Brits to the European Parliament every month.
And even then Barnier would reject it!
two extremes that only care about one thing; "winning".leavers: no deal is better than a bad deal
remainers : any deal is better , so long as it fucks us and is better for the eu.
Sigh.
Given that you (rightly) rail against ridiculous generalisations from the Remain side, you’re seemingly pretty happy to throw them out yourself.are you saying sigh because leavers are posting on the brexit thread again. Sorry I thought people were allowed to have different opinions .
maybe you should start issuing a questionnaire when they register see if they agree with you Before allowing them to post?
not one offensive rude post made By any leaver.
Really?Sigh.