George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Dax777]

Very interesting, I think the republicans will start to spread this message in a big way, people have witnessed the riots and murders, and they are seeing it in Democrat controlled cities. That girl made a bold statement, 'Tell me a Blue City where black lives have improved.' Baltimore has 10 times the murder rate, and
crime has rocketed elsewhere, in it NYC has increased massively, as has LA, this can't have gone unnoticed.

It is a sad sight to see. Mayor Lightfoot banned Protests in her neighborhood.


"You can protest and loot stores in Chicago. But bring that Protest to my neighborhood? No, No, No! Not having that. "

I'm so sad and angry but all I can do is laugh.

I really hope enough people wake up.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It is a sad sight to see. Mayor Lightfoot banned Protests in her neighborhood.


"You can protest and loot stores in Chicago. But bring that Protest to my neighborhood? No, No, No! Not having that. "

I'm so sad and angry but all I can do is laugh.

I really hope enough people wake up.

Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, have all recorded enormous crime rate increases, so Defunding the police, which mayors have actively supported, has only resulted in the obvious, rapid escalation. Portland and Minneapolis, where the ludicrous commune of CHAZ was set up are still seeing thugs rampaging, I read that Minneapolis has had over 1500 businesses destroyed, and numerous deaths, including many children. The sad irony of all this is many black people dead, and black businesses gone, probably for good, and if and when this insanity ends, nobody will start businesses there, and more deprivation and misery ensues.
The NYC mayor is begging wealthy people who have vacated the place, initially because of Covid, but is now fearful that the state of the place will make them stay away. The idiots demanding more taxes for these people are probably unaware that these few are responsible for the vast majority of the tax take,
and the Socialism screamers end up with, like all socialist shitholes, yet
another one.

 

[BobKowalski]

Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, have all recorded enormous crime rate increases, so Defunding the police, which mayors have actively supported, has only resulted in the obvious, rapid escalation. Portland and Minneapolis, where the ludicrous commune of CHAZ was set up are still seeing thugs rampaging, I read that Minneapolis has had over 1500 businesses destroyed, and numerous deaths, including many children. The sad irony of all this is many black people dead, and black businesses gone, probably for good, and if and when this insanity ends, nobody will start businesses there, and more deprivation and misery ensues.
The NYC mayor is begging wealthy people who have vacated the place, initially because of Covid, but is now fearful that the state of the place will make them stay away. The idiots demanding more taxes for these people are probably unaware that these few are responsible for the vast majority of the tax take,
and the Socialism screamers end up with, like all socialist shitholes, yet
another one.

I wasn’t aware the police had been defunded in LA, Chicago and New York. Do they no longer have police forces?

Perhaps everyone could sit down and discuss a way of policing major cities safely and responsibly without, you know, kneeling on the back of people’s necks and killing them.

 

[Silva_Spell]

It is a sad sight to see. Mayor Lightfoot banned Protests in her neighborhood.


"You can protest and loot stores in Chicago. But bring that Protest to my neighborhood? No, No, No! Not having that. "

I'm so sad and angry but all I can do is laugh.

I really hope enough people wake up.

Similar happened with CHAZ, didn't it? It was all "summer of love" until they started venturing towards her house.

 

[bluejon]

I wasn’t aware the police had been defunded in LA, Chicago and New York. Do they no longer have police forces?

Perhaps everyone could sit down and discuss a way of policing major cities safely and responsibly without, you know, kneeling on the back of people’s necks and killing them.

Think that's asking quite a lot of some on here.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

“Defund the Police” is like birtherism...not condoned by the leadership yet spouted by a few mindless extremists.

Oh no, wait, birtherism is actively stoked, promoted and spread BY Republican leadership. My bad.

We have had a long, hot summer, which always spikes crime. Throw in some civil disobedience, month long lockdowns, historic levels of unemployment affecting the poorest communities, and peaceful protests being tear-gassed and subject to baton charges by “police” wearing military garb, and it’s like a California forest fire...it goes up, its hard to contain, people and property get hurt.

Defund the Police is more about taking some of those dollars and using them on community issues, like de-escalation through social services. The Police in this country have a “XXXX now, ask questions and cover it up later” mentality, as we have all learned. The trajectory has to change, and one way of changing it is to stop selling military hardware surplus at “Everything’s got to go!” sale prices to police departments all over the country.

Not every issue needs a militarized response, but it seems like even smaller communities roll the SWAT truck and even put them in parades these days. And, it’s getting difficult to tell the difference between the military and the local police force in many areas. Getting “tooled up” gets the adrenaline flowing, like “we are going into battle, let’s roll!” and from there, the Police are ready to crack skulls and the protestors get ratcheted up because they’re being pushed around, gassed, and hit by jackbooted “public servants.”

That said, there are some days I feel like looters should be used for sniper practice, because that pisses me off to the hilt!

Property damage, arson and theft have nothing to do with peaceful demonstrations of police brutality and probably encourage it!

Conflicted!

 

[Silva_Spell]

Jun 14th: Plain clothes unit meant to prevent shootings gets disbanded to appease BLM:



Doubt it's a total coincidence.

 

[Dax777]

I wasn’t aware the police had been defunded in LA, Chicago and New York. Do they no longer have police forces?

Perhaps everyone could sit down and discuss a way of policing major cities safely and responsibly without, you know, kneeling on the back of people’s necks and killing them.

Yes, Yes. Sit down and discuss... Oh wait! I wonder what side shows no interest in that endeavor...

 

[Dax777]

Jun 14th: Plain clothes unit meant to prevent shootings gets disbanded to appease BLM:

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Doubt it's a total coincidence.

Coincidence!!! Just crime. Stop confusing the issue. 100 more dead is unimportant so long as we get to talk about the 5 we want to talk about.

And if we destroy things, cause mayhem and more black people than normal die in the process? Par for the course.

I keep saying it: This is the kinda black support we don't want.

 

[inbetween]

“Defund the Police” is like birtherism...not condoned by the leadership yet spouted by a few mindless extremists.

Oh no, wait, birtherism is actively stoked, promoted and spread BY Republican leadership. My bad.

We have had a long, hot summer, which always spikes crime. Throw in some civil disobedience, month long lockdowns, historic levels of unemployment affecting the poorest communities, and peaceful protests being tear-gassed and subject to baton charges by “police” wearing military garb, and it’s like a California forest fire...it goes up, its hard to contain, people and property get hurt.

Defund the Police is more about taking some of those dollars and using them on community issues, like de-escalation through social services. The Police in this country have a “XXXX now, ask questions and cover it up later” mentality, as we have all learned. The trajectory has to change, and one way of changing it is to stop selling military hardware surplus at “Everything’s got to go!” sale prices to police departments all over the country.

Not every issue needs a militarized response, but it seems like even smaller communities roll the SWAT truck and even put them in parades these days. And, it’s getting difficult to tell the difference between the military and the local police force in many areas. Getting “tooled up” gets the adrenaline flowing, like “we are going into battle, let’s roll!” and from there, the Police are ready to crack skulls and the protestors get ratcheted up because they’re being pushed around, gassed, and hit by jackbooted “public servants.”

That said, there are some days I feel like looters should be used for sniper practice, because that pisses me off to the hilt!

Property damage, arson and theft have nothing to do with peaceful demonstrations of police brutality and probably encourage it!

Conflicted!

Chicago saw 18 murders in a day in May this year, how are the police supposed to respond to that type of violence and how will defunding help?

The guys selling drugs, killing each other in gangs, are they going to drop their handguns because of increased social services and community involvement?

I'd challenge anyone on here to roll through some of those neighbourhoods in anything but a SWAT truck, so what else can the police do other than to get tooled up or leave the area to burn?

 

[Silva_Spell]

Coincidence!!! Just crime. Stop confusing the issue. 100 more dead is unimportant so long as we get to talk about the 5 we want to talk about.

And if we destroy things, cause mayhem and more black people than normal die in the process? Par for the course.

I keep saying it: This is the kinda black support we don't want.

Saw a poll the other day which showed that black people in poorer neighbourhoods did not want their police defunded, iirc it was something huge like 80%
Makes sense, they're the ones who stand to face the consequences, not the college kids/middle class white crusaders

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Chicago saw 18 murders in a day in May this year, how are the police supposed to respond to that type of violence and how will defunding help?

The guys selling drugs, killing each other in gangs, are they going to drop their handguns because of increased social services and community involvement?

I'd challenge anyone on here to roll through some of those neighbourhoods in anything but a SWAT truck, so what else can the police do other than to get tooled up or leave the area to burn?

It’s clear you don’t live anywhere near here or understand the situation.

 

[idahoblues]

Saw a poll the other day which showed that black people in poorer neighbourhoods did not want their police defunded, iirc it was something huge like 80%
Makes sense, they're the ones who stand to face the consequences, not the college kids/middle class white crusaders

I've yet to talk with anyone who wants to defund the police, just take a drive South of the border to see how it works down there

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I've yet to talk with anyone who wants to defund the police, just take a drive South of the border to see how it works down there

That’s because “defund” sounds like it means “remove all funds from” rather than “reallocate resources away from”, and even at that I cannot think of a single person I know on any part of the political spectrum who wants to do this, at least in any meaningful way, either. And look where I live.

But I suppose if it’s defined as “remove all funds from” then those who have morphed from “conservative” to “slavish, hopeless, selfish devotee of ‘make the libs squeal’ politics” have a much more attractive windmill to tilt at.

And they need a few victories over windmills at the moment apparently.

 

[blueinsa]

Demand more funds rather than a relocation from police funds.

Trouble with that is it isn't what BLM want is it?

Deep down they want the police defunded.

Then comes the question, why?

Scenes from areas effectively de-policed during and since the protests started suggests it's a bad idea and that many don't want to behave or abide by the law, they just don't want arresting or facing justice.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I wasn’t aware the police had been defunded in LA, Chicago and New York. Do they no longer have police forces?

Perhaps everyone could sit down and discuss a way of policing major cities safely and responsibly without, you know, kneeling on the back of people’s necks and killing them.

You are almost certainly aware of the violence and riots, sanctioned by city mayors. You will be aware that hundreds of police officers have been injured, some extremely seriously, some dead. You also will be aware, that in the cities discussed thousands of businesses have been destroyed, and the police are still experiencing violent thugs screaming defund the police and causing mayhem.
Many of these officers are now calling in sick, or taking early retirement, when officials are openly supporting them to be defunded/abolished, do you think that's unreasonable?
So with the above being daily events, is a nice cosy chat with a bunch of rioting anarchists about policing major cities, discussing actually reducing police numbers the way to stop them?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Saw a poll the other day which showed that black people in poorer neighbourhoods did not want their police defunded, iirc it was something huge like 80%
Makes sense, they're the ones who stand to face the consequences, not the college kids/middle class white crusaders

I saw something similar, the irony with all this is it's the poorer black people who
get their areas destroyed, and more shockingly, see their children being shot.
Yeah, let's defund the police.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

That’s because “defund” sounds like it means “remove all funds from” rather than “reallocate resources away from”, and even at that I cannot think of a single person I know on any part of the political spectrum who wants to do this, at least in any meaningful way, either. And look where I live.

But I suppose if it’s defined as “remove all funds from” then those who have morphed from “conservative” to “slavish, hopeless, selfish devotee of ‘make the libs squeal’ politics” have a much more attractive windmill to tilt at.

And they need a few victories over windmills at the moment apparently.

Does it really?
Your Ocasio -Cortez says defunding the police means exactly that.

Ocasio-Cortez dismisses proposed $1B cut: ‘Defunding police means defunding police’

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said New York City’s proposed $1 billion cut from the police department budget tiptoes around demands from activists who are asking for a reduced police …

thehill.com

Also reported over here in Britain.

US Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez calls for NYPD to be defunded

Ms Ocasio-Cortez and a handful of other progressive city council members have called on NYC's Mayor Bill De Blasio to cut $1bn from the NYPD's $6bn budget

www.independent.co.uk

Is that a windmill worth tilting at?

 

[inbetween]

It’s clear you don’t live anywhere near here or understand the situation.

I definitely don't but it's clear that the police must be funded well in order to fight crime and well we often forget that their purpose is to both prevent crime and protect victims of crime and they do it very well every single day. The vast majority (I.E. 99%) of police shootings and killings happen in pursuit of armed criminals, not black people.

How can we tell police officers to run into grave danger, but to forget their body armor and gun?

I can guarantee that even the most motivated defund protester will change their mind once it is their son, daughter, father or mother who is shot and killed due to gun violence. Look at the aftermath of any mass shooting and do you ever see a protest to defund the police to fund mental health facilities for would-be shooters?

In the UK we often see people on the left claiming that the police aren't funded well enough whilst laying blame for terrorism and crime etc on intelligence and governmental failures. But then in appeasement with protest movements like BLM they also want these institutions to be defunded so what can we do?

There is a defund the police movement in the UK but everyone ignores it because the armed element of the police saves countless lives from terrorists and armed criminals. Each year you can count the number of police killings and shootings on one hand whilst around 100 die in the US every single day by guns.

The problem in the US has nothing to do with white, black or police violence, these statistics become a huge problem because of the deaths involved and that is aggravated if not directly caused by guns and gun culture.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I definitely don't but it's clear that the police must be funded well in order to fight crime and well we often forget that their purpose is to both prevent crime and protect victims of crime and they do it very well every single day. The vast majority (I.E. 99%) of police shootings and killings happen in pursuit of armed criminals, not black people.

We just had another one tonight up the road in Kenosha, WI that you’ll be watching on the news by now. Shot outside his car with his 3 kids in it, if first reports are accurate.

No idea if it’s a good shoot or not, tbh, because it’s 4am here, I’m ready for bed, and I just saw a blurb,

How can we tell police officers to run into grave danger, but to forget their body armor and gun?

Who on earth has ever suggested otherwise? A gun and body armor are like shoes and socks...you don’t get dressed to go outside without them!

In the UK we often see people on the left claiming that the police aren't funded well enough whilst laying blame for terrorism and crime etc on intelligence and governmental failures. But then in appeasement with protest movements like BLM they also want these institutions to be defunded so what can we do?

Show resolve to combat real and serious threats as real and serious threats, but not draw weapons for a domestic dispute?

There is a defund the police movement in the UK but everyone ignores it because the armed element of the police saves countless lives from terrorists and armed criminals. Each year you can count the number of police killings and shootings on one hand whilst around 100 die in the US every single day by guns.

“Defund the police” is a slogan. Once you realize that and that no serious politician would ever seriously consider it, you can start to understand the sentiment behind the slogan and address the actual concern people have with the police.

The problem in the US has nothing to do with white, black or police violence, these statistics become a huge problem because of the deaths involved and that is aggravated if not directly caused by guns and gun culture.

i think the statistics would beg to differ. Clearly, America probably has more guns per capita than anywhere else on earth, so they are relatively ubiquitous. That said, to ignore the violence in the black communities and the outsized level of police violence over time would be to excuse reality in favor of the gun culture scapegoat.

We have far too many illegal guns in the hands of (by definition) irresponsible gun owners. It is rare to have a violent gun death caused by a law-abiding citizen.