George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[ChicagoBlue]

All that you say about Marin and especially Tiburon is true. However, the business owners clearly don't see this as a "non-event", which I think is a bad read, and I'm asking you to put yourself in their shoes. The mayor didn't think so either.

I'm actually shocked Mike didn't know the store was owned by Mr. Khalif -- it's that small a town, and Main Street is that small a retail district.

I’m not suggesting they do see it as a non-event, but then the area is one full of professional outrage, is it not?

Throw in a Mayor that has to be seen to be electable and you can quickly lose perspective.

I’m not from Tiburon or Marin or San Fran, but I’ve spent enough time to know that if this had happened in the Tenderloin it might not be an issue at all.

And, let’s put it in perspective...Tiburon is a small, wealthy community and this is a non-event outside such a lily white location. Heck, it barely got column inches in the local liberal rag!

“Police investigate activity in local store in middle of night. Find owners at work. No-one shot, no-one arrested. Police leave. Precious outrage ensues. More news at 5!”

See what I mean...?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

The following of instructions that still leads to black men getting killed,the police are out of control at the moment,rock and a hard place,he was probably thinking of his three kids in the car,the po!ice had this covered,they had the means and tactics to bring him down and not half kill the guy,what we are seeing is a failure of police procedure and them knowing their arses will likely be covered,they need a rethink and fast

Did you miss where I posted this?

Seems to me, you and many others here have the kind of disregard for the police that only fuels people to completely ignore them. They are given the task of policing in the most difficult circumstances possible, with guns and murder a constant.

I guess it’s easy to cast aspersions on everyone in blue when one sees the George Floyd incident. Easy, but lazy.

One witness, who did not want his name used but said he had an unobstructed view of the events leading to the shooting, said Blake pushed past police and that’s when they struck him with Tasers.

“He didn’t even flinch,” the witness said. “He just kept walking.”

Blake tried to climb into his car. That’s when a police officer grabbed him, the witness said.

“They start to wrestle,” the witness said. “The officer is punching on him. Two officers come to assist. They get him down on the curb behind his vehicle. Somehow he manages to get up. They said he has a knife. All of the officers pull out their guns. ... (One of the officers) tells him, ‘Get out of the car!’ and he starts shooting.”

The witness said he never saw a knife.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I’m not suggesting they do see it as a non-event, but then the area is one full of professional outrage, is it not?

Throw in a Mayor that has to be seen to be electable and you can quickly lose perspective.

I’m not from Tiburon or Marin or San Fran, but I’ve spent enough time to know that if this had happened in the Tenderloin it might not be an issue at all.

And, let’s put it in perspective...Tiburon is a small, wealthy community and this is a non-event outside such a lily white location. Heck, it barely got column inches in the local liberal rag!

“Police investigate activity in local store in middle of night. Find owners at work. No-one shot, no-one arrested. Police leave. Precious outrage ensues. More news at 5!”

See what I mean...?

I do, but I’m glad I’m not a black man. It’s remarkable the lack of empathy on offer in this thread.

 

[Ban-jani]

Fucking hell, what I’d do to click my fingers and remove guns from both the American public and the police over there.

Im torn on this a little reading this thread.

On the one hand a bloke getting shot in front of his kids for initially breaking a fight up is horrifying and shouldn’t happen.

But then he should have fucking complied and he’d have got out of there fine, the reaching into his car was the catalyst for the police‘s heavy response.

I can understand why the cop shot him but doing so seven times in that scenario just seems mental to me.

There was enough of them to rugby tackle him to the ground before shooting in my opinion but then again I’ve zero police training and have never been in that situation.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Did you miss where I posted this?

Seems to me, you and many others here have the kind of disregard for the police that only fuels people to completely ignore them. They are given the task of policing in the most difficult circumstances possible, with guns and murder a constant.

I guess it’s easy to cast aspersions on everyone in blue when one sees the George Floyd incident. Easy, but lazy.

You are given the incredible responsibility of flying us and not killing us, Captain, and we don’t cut you any slack if you fuck up, and neither does the FAA or the airline you work for. You make split second decisions based on ever changing conditions. The police do too. Not very often, but you’re paid for those moments when situations are abnormal. You’re trained for them, relentlessly I gather. So are the police.

I agree COMPLETELY that casting aspersions about the police as a whole is wildly uncalled for, and unfair, just as casting aspersions about pilots generally based on those dipshits at Pinnacle who tried to reach the 40k club in a CRJ is unfair.

But police officers must be held to a higher standard of performance just as you must be. No mistakes, no excuses. Innocent people’s lives are at stake. Fortunately, as with pilots, the vast majority are, I think, very good at their jobs. At least the ones I know are.

 

[kaz7]

No, the NOT following of the instructions led to shots getting fired. Stop blaming the cops for everything. Criminals must have some level of accountability For their actions. Every time it’s because people think that they can do as they please. Follow the instructions and you will remain perfectly safe. Dumb criminals just like finding out the hard way.

You are not black i assume ?

 

[kaz7]

Did you miss where I posted this?

Seems to me, you and many others here have the kind of disregard for the police that only fuels people to completely ignore them. They are given the task of policing in the most difficult circumstances possible, with guns and murder a constant.

I guess it’s easy to cast aspersions on everyone in blue when one sees the George Floyd incident. Easy, but lazy.

looks like we are talking about a different case ? i am talking about the one who was shot eight times in the back

 

[kaz7]

You are given the incredible responsibility of flying us and not killing us, Captain, and we don’t cut you any slack if you fuck up, and neither does the FAA or the airline you work for. You make split second decisions based on ever changing conditions. The police do too. Not very often, but you’re paid for those moments when situations are abnormal. You’re trained for them, relentlessly I gather. So are the police.

I agree COMPLETELY that casting aspersions about the police as a whole is wildly uncalled for, and unfair, just as casting aspersions about pilots generally based on those dipshits at Pinnacle who tried to reach the 40k club in a CRJ is unfair.

But police officers must be held to a higher standard of performance just as you must be. No mistakes, no excuses. Innocent people’s lives are at stake. Fortunately, as with pilots, the vast majority are, I think, very good at their jobs. At least the ones I know are.

Surgeons dont get a pass if they fuck up a surgery,they are alone holding the knife and not in a group who can make better decisions as a team,i am alarmed at the blaise way yanks dont flinch at people being shot every day as normal,the police are making too many mistakes ,if you want to call them that,they have the means and numbers to bring down any size of man ,in this case it made more sense for one to go the other way around the car and tasar his arse,if they cant think under high pressure then they are in the wrong job,how do soldiers manage it

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Surgeons dont get a pass if they fuck up a surgery,they are alone holding the knife and not in a group who can make better decisions as a team,i am alarmed at the blaise way yanks dont flinch at people being shot every day as normal,the police are making too many mistakes ,if you want to call them that,they have the means and numbers to bring down any size of man ,in this case it made more sense for one to go the other way around the car and tasar his arse,if they cant think under high pressure then they are in the wrong job,how do soldiers manage it

It’s just a matter of generalizations, not acceptance. People are human; they’ll make mistakes. Mistakes are easier to catch, call out and publicize when we have video evidence — but so is catching criminals. I don’t want to generalize about the police because I don’t think it’s fair. But at the same time, while the job is hard, this is a free country — no one’s forcing them to choose it as a career, and I expect those who do to make the right decisions nearly all the time — and more often than those they suspect/detain do.We’re going through a bad stretch as a nation, with an awful lot of division, anger and acrimony, and a lot of feelings of powerlessness and hopelessness on all sides. It isn’t any wonder there’s heightened awareness to issues of racial division, equivalent treatment, abuse or misuse of authority, nor anger at the violence in reaction to it by those on both sides who are frustrated.

 

[Silva_Spell]

looks like we are talking about a different case ? i am talking about the one who was shot eight times in the back

Same case.
Blake was wrestling with police, that's why in the video you can't see him until he rounds the bonnet.

 

[super_city_si]

Jesus Christ, I’ve just seen the video of the latest cop shooting a black man. Fucking criminal.

 

[Bigga]

Pellerin had a knife and was walking into the store. Any cop that allowed him/the situation into the store would have been guilty of dereliction of duty.

I have no idea about Pellerin. I haven't looked into him and the tweet was the first time I'd seen anything on it.

The post wasn't about him, directly, and he wasn't in any conversation by name other than the tweet, until you decided to swerve the conversation.

Any reason why...?

 

[Silva_Spell]

I have no idea about Pellerin. I haven't looked into him and the tweet was the first time I'd seen anything on it.

The post wasn't about him, directly, and he wasn't in any conversation by name other than the tweet, until you decided to swerve the conversation.

Any reason why...?

Was just commenting on that woman's tweet. Probably should have added that she is obviously not trustworthy.

You were talking about bodycams and posted those 2 tweets (both unreliable btw) without comment. I just had nothing to say about bodycams

 

[Bigga]

Karen,

There are multiple problems with what you have said, but I think you already know that all your have done us spout platitudes.

If you want to seriously discuss this issue, no problem. This isn’t that.



So, non-compliance, Taser, no effect, continued non-compliance, both physically and verbally, fighting with officers, get him on the ground, he gets up, continued non-compliance, they call out that he has a deadly weapon, cops draw weapons, continued non-compliance, walks around the front of the vehicle, continued non-compliance, opens the car door, continued non-compliance, bends down to reach into drivers side of car while cop tries to pull him out by his shirt, cop shoots him to neutralize the continued threat created by repeated non-compliance.

I’ll give you ONE GUESS how this could have ended without anyone being shot....

...begins with “C” ends in “ompliance at any time before he went back to his car and reached into the vehicle with hands completely out of view of the police, after fighting, being tased, and the call of a knife.

At which point do you think it might have been reasonable for HIM to de-escalate?

Let’s find out what REALLY happened, not just the no audio video clip.

Like George Floyd, who was passing a bad check, got caught, was handcuffed, but refused to get in the Police SUV because he didn’t want to go back to prison. So, he fought with FOUR police offers while handcuffed, which is how he ended up on the ground by the side of the SUV.

ALL OF THAT was his fault. ALL OF IT!

From there, the cop killed him, and in my opinion should be charged with either second or third degree murder.

But, the entire incident should never have got to the point of Floyd being on the ground in the first place. HE DID THAT. Convicted felon committing another crime, which is now lost in the sound and fury.

I'm sorry I'm so late to this post!

Can I just ask you, if Blake had a knife, why wait until he was in his his open car door to shoot him??

Secondly, why would the police pull him back by his vest if

A) He'd been 'fighting with the police' and

B) He had a weapon...?

It seems pretty contradictory to not pull your guns on the man after he 'fought', never mind 'having a weapon'.

Maybe I'm blind but I didn't see him waving a knife around, he didn't seem particularly much in a hurry to get to his car. I'm trying to work out the logic of 'having a knife' and not waving it at police as he gets into the car...

I dunno, maybe if the cops had body cams and not just a witness' mobile phone to work off...

 

[Bigga]

Ocasio Cortez gave you the answer.

So you've got no insight on what YOU believe 'defund the police' means?

Okay, just say that.

Just say I don't know what it means. Job done.

 

[Bigga]

And? Do you even know what it means?

Do you think the US police should be purchasing hundreds of millions in surplus military grade vehicles and weaponry?

Do you not think that money could be better spent?

I've asked directly what he THINKS it means, but he keep pointing me to someone else who's said something about it, cos he can't find the words in his brain to type his thoughts out on the subject.

 

[kaz7]

Karen,

There are multiple problems with what you have said, but I think you already know that all your have done us spout platitudes.

If you want to seriously discuss this issue, no problem. This isn’t that.



So, non-compliance, Taser, no effect, continued non-compliance, both physically and verbally, fighting with officers, get him on the ground, he gets up, continued non-compliance, they call out that he has a deadly weapon, cops draw weapons, continued non-compliance, walks around the front of the vehicle, continued non-compliance, opens the car door, continued non-compliance, bends down to reach into drivers side of car while cop tries to pull him out by his shirt, cop shoots him to neutralize the continued threat created by repeated non-compliance.

I’ll give you ONE GUESS how this could have ended without anyone being shot....

...begins with “C” ends in “ompliance at any time before he went back to his car and reached into the vehicle with hands completely out of view of the police, after fighting, being tased, and the call of a knife.

At which point do you think it might have been reasonable for HIM to de-escalate?

Let’s find out what REALLY happened, not just the no audio video clip.

Like George Floyd, who was passing a bad check, got caught, was handcuffed, but refused to get in the Police SUV because he didn’t want to go back to prison. So, he fought with FOUR police offers while handcuffed, which is how he ended up on the ground by the side of the SUV.

ALL OF THAT was his fault. ALL OF IT!

From there, the cop killed him, and in my opinion should be charged with either second or third degree murder.

But, the entire incident should never have got to the point of Floyd being on the ground in the first place. HE DID THAT. Convicted felon committing another crime, which is now lost in the sound and fury.

Jesus christ,i give up

 

[Bigga]

Bit of a bugger for those with mild Parkinson’s.

’Show me your ID. You are walking erratically!’
’Yes, Officer. I have-
’BLAM! See that? The fucker twitched!’

You are accepting that involuntary movement, nervousness, brain freeze, panic whatever, means you are equally responsible for getting shot by the police.

That is insane.

Oh, how I laughed!

The situation is SO absurd!

 

[Bigga]

Mental health services, drug rehabilitation, better social services, better housing, better education, homelessness.

A fleet of Armoured vehicles not so much.

Yes, people seem to forget to factor in that the services you've mentioned would go towards reducing crime as crime doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's a lack of education, an addiction to drugs, no homes and no money.

No sure why this isn't a logical step to understand for the naysayers on here!

 

[Silva_Spell]

I'm sorry I'm so late to this post!

Can I just ask you, if Blake had a knife, why wait until he was in his his open car door to shoot him??

Secondly, why would the police pull him back by his vest if

A) He'd been 'fighting with the police' and

B) He had a weapon...?

It seems pretty contradictory to not pull your guns on the man after he 'fought', never mind 'having a weapon'.

Maybe I'm blind but I didn't see him waving a knife around, he didn't seem particularly much in a hurry to get to his car. I'm trying to work out the logic of 'having a knife' and not waving it at police as he gets into the car...

I dunno, maybe if the cops had body cams and not just a witness' mobile phone to work off...

To give him as much time as possible to comply

Presumably, to stop him getting a gun or driving away (and putting innocent people - including his kids, if they were aware of them- in danger during a potential high speed chase). If he had been waving a knife about as he was getting in the car they probably would have shot him from a distance. If he had a knife at all the officer obviously put his life in some danger to stop either of the 2 prior scenarios. I don't think a previous fight makes any difference as to whether he gets grabbed at that point

Yes, It's a shame there were no bodycams, all police should have them - as much for their own defence as the safety of citizens - hopefully the dashcam sheds further light