George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

BobKowalski said:
Not entirely, which is not say guns are not a problem, but the absence of guns does not change the deep rooted attitudes displayed here.

How can a police force be comfortable with a white youth openly carrying an assault rifle into a volatile situation and not seem to have any issue with that youth killing people, to the extent they blame the protestors for the situation more than the killer?

How is a white youth openly carrying an assault rifle deemed less of a threat than an unarmed black man, or indeed black people in general? What is the driver behind that mindset?

Removing guns from the equation will help, but right now the only side that has the guns or is using the guns isn’t the black guy getting shot in the back or the protestors.
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Of course, no-one can excuse the difference in mentality, certainly in terms of does a black guy hold the right to own a gun as much as the white guy?

With respect to the constitution he does although I disagree anyone should have that right at least if only to stop people dying regardless of their skin colour.

At the end of the day it's no different to moving away from the 'Muslim looking' guy with a backpack, it's subconscious based racial prejudice which society will find difficult and slow to move away from.

No excuse for it but it will take time because of the way people have their values and ways of thinking ingrained into them over many years.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Talked about this in the Trump thread, mate.

It’s another implicit call for private citizen militias to “maintain order” with a view to voter/protester/non-white suppression in the election and beyond.

We will — tragically and unconscionably — see more of these same calls over the next few months.
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Its amazing that Carlsson defines going in to maintain law and order is a 17 year old murderer taking control - I keep saying it but the US is fucked.
 
SWP's back said:
Defunding

Where has called for the abolishment of the police?

“Ms Ocasio-Cortez expressed her support during a debate on New York Spectrum News

"The reduction of our NYPD budget and defunding a $6 billion budget, that costs us books in the hands of our children and costs us very badly needed investment in NYCHA and public housing," Ms Ocasio-Cortez said.“

So in the above she speaks of a reduction in budget. Same as in her instagram:

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I pointed out what AOC said on page 76.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I pointed out what AOC said on page 76.
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Yes, reducing funding by 1/6th and reallocating that on social spending to reduce crime and criminality.

You seem to think that means cutting all funding and/or abolishing the police.

Seeing as the highest spend per capita on policing in the developed world patently doesn’t work, why not try addressing the causes of the illness rather than the symptoms alone?
 
SWP's back said:
Yes, reducing funding by 1/6th and reallocating that on social spending to reduce crime and criminality.

You seem to think that means cutting all funding and/or abolishing the police.

Seeing as the highest spend per capita on policing in the developed world patently doesn’t work, why not try addressing the causes of the illness rather than the symptoms alone?
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Ok, let's see if this message resonates then, if Americans are happy to see their cities trashed, communes set up supported by mayors, dozens dead and thousands of businesses destroyed, and the answer is less police, fair enough.
I have a feeling they may not.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Ok, let's see if this message resonates then, if Americans are happy to see their cities trashed, communes set up supported by mayors, dozens dead and thousands of businesses destroyed, and the answer is less police, fair enough.
I have a feeling they may not.
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Well, of course they aren’t, but I doubt if they happy to see unarmed men shot in the back, police escorting white youths with guns to let them shoot people or private militias storming State legislatures and threatening elected officials while police examine their manicures.

You cannot keep blaming the people getting killed for all the problems, I mean who do you think you are? The Kenosha Police Chief?
 
I don't know why we are all at each others throats on here and desperate to import an issue from the states? Let them run their silly country how they wish.despite,all the talk of liberty and freedom they have only been a step or two ahead of south Africa for the last 50 years. It's all fucked, but nothing to do with us.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I don't know why we are all at each others throats on here and desperate to import an issue from the states? Let them run their silly country how they wish.despite,all the talk of liberty and freedom they have only been a step or two ahead of south Africa for the last 50 years. It's all fucked, but nothing to do with us.
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Let them rant! Good stuff
 
Bigga said:
Firstly, don't tell us your narrative about 'what you've seen'.

Post it and let BM make its own mind up.

Secondly, where did I say the guy would get fired...?

I see you've now moved the discussion on from realising you are NOT clairvoyant or had privy to the studio at any given time...
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There are about 15 videos on YouTube. Or there were. It's different people on their phones filming from different angles.

You can search by youtubining the name of the shooter. I know you have YouTube skills.
 
hilts said:
Not sure why you are blaming Hugh Grant but my money is on the continued treatment of Black people added to the fucking moron of a president in the White House.
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That was funny. But I think you are wrong on the facts. Having a moron for a President is not grounds for Civil war. It's grounds for ousting him at the ballot. It's beginning to look like that is not going to happen.
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I used to thit this was your run of the mill Democrat get out the vote strategy of whipping up black votes. But it's not just that. It seems more sinister.

I think the intent is simply to destabilize the system as a whole.
 
Bigga said:
What???

I posted sarcasm also taken as dark humour.

YOU decided to put a serious response to it when ANY Brit, half cut or not, would understand the context of the subject thus answer.

You are way WAAAAY beyond understanding sarcasm, which is why you are all befuddled by 'Black Adder', 'Fawlty Towers' and 'The Inbetweeners'.

Nuance is something clearly missing from your education.

We cannot teach you something you lack.
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Lol.
 
Dax777 said:
That was funny. But I think you are wrong on the facts. Having a moron for a President is not grounds for Civil war. It's grounds for ousting him at the ballot. It's beginning to look like that is not going to happen.
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I used to thit this was your run of the mill Democrat get out the vote strategy of whipping up black votes. But it's not just that. It seems more sinister.

I think the intent is simply to destabilize the system as a whole.
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Didn't say he was but he's certainly part of/making the problem worse.
 
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