George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

The only crime that he seems to have committed for sure,
Apart from the two murders and shooting of a third person who has now lost his arm you mean?

Seriously @Ric when are we getting this double blocking so I don’t have read the words of this fucking piece of work.
 
Apart from the two murders and shooting of a third person who has now lost his arm you mean?

Seriously @Ric when are we getting this double blocking so I don’t have read the words of this fucking piece of work.

Dude just put him on ignore. I have and I'm not troubled. That other one, Silva-whatever, I haven't blocked but I'm not worried -- after his "self-defense" comment he hasn't been seen since (he'll probably come back and say he was "busy" -- yeah, sure). Just like the Trump thread, once they embarrass themselves over and over they'll eventually disappear out of shame or cowardice -- they never come back and say, "Ah shit, I fucked up, I made a mistake."
 
Oh, I was listening, but when the level of conversation is “fucking pigs” I draw the line. You liked that post, which tells me that not only are YOU not here to listen, or even possibly learn something, but have made up your mind at the very extreme end of the spectrum.
I like the whole post not just two words,i am sick of seeing cops killing people,you should be too,what next,black children?
 
Apart from the two murders and shooting of a third person who has now lost his arm you mean?

Seriously @Ric when are we getting this double blocking so I don’t have read the words of this fucking piece of work.
I installed it, but it didn’t work as expected and was doubling page load times. The add-on developer said he’s addressing these issues, for now I’ve had to shelve those plans unfortunately.
 
I installed it, but it didn’t work as expected and was doubling page load times. The add-on developer said he’s addressing these issues, for now I’ve had to shelve those plans unfortunately.
Thanks for the update.
 
Yeah, no racism or extremism in Kenosha County Sheriff’s decision making. None at all.

 
Oh but you’re response was:




You’d seen all the videos of both incidents and still sided with the killer as anyone that knows your posting would style would have guessed.
I don't do sides. Just facts.
 
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There’s always a case to be made for anything. That’s what paid lawyers are there for. However it’s a tougher argument when the killer was illegally brandishing a gun that he wasn’t allowed to brandish either in the State in which he killed two people, nor in the State in which lived.

But you probably knew that already.
That may or may not have a bearing on the case for Self Defense for Murder. That would simply mean he was guilty of a misdemeanor.

I was simply expressing a view about the facts as they stood. Not trying shape my opinion to suit one side or the other.
 
Apart from the two murders and shooting of a third person who has now lost his arm you mean?

Seriously @Ric when are we getting this double blocking so I don’t have read the words of this fucking piece of work.
My apologies. He killed 2 people. My point was that the only crime he probably lacks any exception for might be the open carrying while being 17.
 
I like the whole post not just two words,i am sick of seeing cops killing people,you should be too,what next,black children?
I am sick of seeing cops shoot EVERYONE...white, black, brown, you name it!

The big difference is I understand WHY some of these people get shot. I explained why Blake got shot (btw, he already admitted he had a knife).

Indeed, even to this point, I have not expounded on my feelings as to whether it was a legal shoot or not.

It would be great if the Police in the US didn’t have to be on high alert to knives, guns or even fighting with people they want to talk to or even arrest, wouldn’t it?

One of the funny things I hear is “Why not wrestle, like UK cops sometimes have to?“ The simple reason is, if you don’t win your wrestling match, there’s a good chance you’ll get shot with your own weapon! When you are carrying a gun, “fisticuffs” isn’t an option, especially one on one. If you ever see a US cop wrestling with someone, it is nearly always because A) he got jumped and has had to react, or B) there is at least one other cop present, often with gun drawn in case there is a need to avoid a weapon being taken. Cops are taught to protect your weapon at all times, because the life you’re saving us your own!

Brits appear incapable of understanding life in America, esp life in the trenches of the urban wastelands.

By now, you’ve all seen a (white) 17 yr old walking down the road, hands up, walk-jogging towards a phalanx of police vehicles with an AR-15 over his shoulder...and not being pinned on the ground and arrested...with mouths agape. You know he just killed 2 people, but the police don’t, and seeing people exercising “open carry” Isn’t an every day occurrence in most places, but isn’t illegal, either!

I know...sounds crazy, and I agree with you...but this is the law and ONE PARTY protects such laws because it feeds their base! I AM NOT THEIR BASE!

Crime is a problem. I’m on record here abhorring violent crime and have no problem with harsh penalties for violent crimes, esp those committed while brandishing a deadly weapon, even if not used or even loaded.

The problem, in 99%+ of cases, is not the “fucking pigs.” When it is, I have ZERO ISSUES with them feeling the full weight of the law coming down on them, and it’d be fine by me if George Floyd’s killer is found guilty of second/third degree murder, because I think he is guilty of it. The Blake case is NOT the Floyd case!
 
My apologies. He killed 2 people. My point was that the only crime he probably lacks any exception for might be the open carrying while being 17.
OPEN CARRY PERMITTED?
Is open carry permitted in Wisconsin?

Yes, without a permit. Any person who is at least 18 years old and legally entitled to carry a firearm can open carry.
 
That may or may not have a bearing on the case for Self Defense for Murder. That would simply mean he was guilty of a misdemeanor.

I was simply expressing a view about the facts as they stood. Not trying shape my opinion to suit one side or the other.
You are aware that if you shoot someone 5 times following an argument and then a group of people are obviously upset that you’ve just shot someone 5 times and attempt to disarm and subdue you, claiming self defence in shooting that second group is rather tenuous.

That is why he’s been charged with murder (along with several other offences) and why he will be found guilty. Sadly for him, there’s not a high enough percentage of white alt right nationalists in Kenosha to guarantee a sympathetic jury.
 
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This is a review of the first incident. The claim SS made, and I know these nuances are often hard for you to grapple with, was related to the Second video. I e. The one where he was being chased by 4 people one of whom knocked him to the ground and another try to drop kick him before he gathered himself and shot 2 of them and killed one.



Also, the fact that a DA wants to press charges doesn't mean there isn't a case for Self Defense.
One thing that is clear in both cases is that the Shooter was being chased on both occasions. The first chaser tried to stone him with a big of something that he jumped over. And he only turned around and shot the initial person after there was a gunshot bang noise and the guy had closed in on him. So while many want blood, there appears to be a strong case self defense here.

The only crime that he seems to have committed for sure, is that of open carrying a gun while been under 18.

The 2nd shooting is a clearer case of self defense. I know these aren't likeable conclusions seeing as many here line themselves up on the side of Black Lives Matter to the detriment of any common sense. As if trying bto separate facts from ideology is somehow anti-black.

But the facts are not always moved by ideology. Here is an unshakeable fact:

Everytime the shooter used his weapon, it was after being chased.
If only he'd politely complied eh?
 
This is why people hate “discussing” things with you.

Here is what I ACTUALLY said...



Please don’t TRY to twist what I said to help your own narrative.

It is more than bad form, esp considering I think I have been quite generous in what I have been willing to share, to attempt to characterize a fairly straightforward quote as anything other than what I simply said.

You were highly HIGHLY predictable in your response.

I even said it and you probably didn't read that bit...

You had a chance to give a comprehensive answer and so you chose your conclusion. So, before I get the inevitable "I didn't say that" or "You're putting words in my mouth" I have to reasonably assume the rest of what I said about your unspoken answer to be true.

It was your own choice to use the words you chose. I explained the rest which was quite reasonable.

If you wanted to give a better response or greater context in what you wrote, you could have, but you chose to cry foul.

Pathetic.
 
You were highly HIGHLY predictable in your response.

I even said it and you probably didn't read that bit...



It was your own choice to use the words you chose. I explained the rest which was quite reasonable.

If you wanted to give a better response or greater context in what you wrote, you could have, but you chose to cry foul.

Pathetic.
Firstly, I don’t “grade” my responses on how you feel about them.

Secondly, that’s like telling a lie and saying “I know what you’ll say...’I’m lying‘“ Yes, because it’s exactly correct...you’re lying! I didn’t say what you tried to say I did, so do one.

Talk about pathetic!
 
With all of the upheaval surrounding sports getting cancelled because of this I'm starting to believe this may be the way forward. People are fine with Black people getting killed but when they start taking away sports people will act.

I only hope this happens when we have our next school shooting.

Well, it may be that play goes on without the players that don't want to support any causes?

They could easily (?) field a field of White players to play on.

I would like to think any Black players that wouldn't want to play as part of protest would not oppose any of their colleagues from playing on as long as they held solidarity with the cause, but may still want to play.
 
OPEN CARRY PERMITTED?
Is open carry permitted in Wisconsin?

Yes, without a permit. Any person who is at least 18 years old and legally entitled to carry a firearm can open carry.
I don't understand. Yes you can open carry. But he isn't 18. I think that's what I said.
 
Well, it may be that play goes on without the players that don't want to support any causes?

They could easily (?) field a field of White players to play on.

I would like to think any Black players that wouldn't want to play as part of protest would not oppose any of their colleagues from playing on as long as they held solidarity with the cause, but may still want to play.
Why would they hold solidarity with the cause and still want to play? The whole point of showing solidarity would be to do what you are told. And in this case, that would be 'Not Play!'

Playing would be tantamount to not showing solidarity.
 
I don't understand. Yes you can open carry. But he isn't 18. I think that's what I said.
Not only is he under the age of 18, but he’s also not legally allowed to own the gun he’s using either in Kenosha or his home state. So it’s a fail of the law on both counts of “open carry”.
 

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