XR Rebellion

[DazWA9]

They are a bunch of wankers who in the past have blocked roads and stopped people getting to the hospital too see family members before they pass away

Why don’t the police enforce the ‘Obstruction of the Queens highway’, or however it’s worded, law on these folk? It’s clearly a breach.
If you block the highway to protest against illegal immigration the police become quite assertive.
Block the highway and costs business hundreds of thousands of pounds, for 'the environment' ,the police aren't bothered.
Vandalise London and assault police for BLM, now't happens. Turn up to protect the statues and the police are suddenly assertive.
The police are politicised and regard what used to be seen as Left wing views as the centre-ground. They therefore regard Conservative views as XRW and have probably had instructions from on high that they are to ignore many of these liberal/fashionable protests.
Problem with this is that is the start of the slippery slope.
As a former New York mayor stated many years ago " if you tolerate a broken window or graffiti, the next thing you are tolerating is drug dealing" or similar.

Time for zero tolerance policing all round in Britain.

 

[blueinsa]

or peaceful protesters legally going about their demonstration. Its aka freedom of speech and expression - Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free and all that...

Thankfully the not so peaceful where carted off in cuffs.

"Power to the people.......people have the power"

 

[blueinsa]

So an 80 year old uses the Mail Online to complain about being unable to read the Mail.

Terrible isn't it. People that old not only should not be allowed to vote anymore, they shouldn't be allowed to use the internet either.

Yours, a disgusted Millennial Guardian reader via social media.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

That's been the argument throughout history from those seeking to restrict protest.

Charges will be brought, as they should be, if crimes have been committed.

However, the exaggerated outrage (here and from johnson) over a small protest for a relatively benign cause (we are not talking the EDL here or radical anarchists - but they too have a right to protest) which will likely end up on the right side of history (as have many protesters in this country's history) is a bit angry old man-ish.

And this is a flawed argument from history, as the fact is that not every cause is accepted by the majority, and results in the legislation that validates it.
It's a glib assumption that is made by the supporters of such causes.
CND has, and still is, campaigning, after 60 years or so, and is no nearer to acceptance than it was when it started, so presuming it's all good and benign, and everyone will fall in with it is wrong. Most sensible folk know about climate change, indeed this country has gone much further than most in tackling it,
it doesn't need the antics of these idiots disrupting business, and indeed actively endangering life, to deal with on top of everything else.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Heartless bastards

If one day without business is enough for you to have to lay off staff, then you probably shouldn't be running a business in the first place. Or he could just be full of shit and paid by the Sun to make up a sob story.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Why don’t the police enforce the ‘Obstruction of the Queens highway’, or however it’s worded, law on these folk? It’s clearly a breach.
If you block the highway to protest against illegal immigration the police become quite assertive.
Block the highway and costs business hundreds of thousands of pounds, for 'the environment' ,the police aren't bothered.
Vandalise London and assault police for BLM, now't happens. Turn up to protect the statues and the police are suddenly assertive.
The police are politicised and regard what used to be seen as Left wing views as the centre-ground. They therefore regard Conservative views as XRW and have probably had instructions from on high that they are to ignore many of these liberal/fashionable protests.
Problem with this is that is the start of the slippery slope.
As a former New York mayor stated many years ago " if you tolerate a broken window or graffiti, the next thing you are tolerating is drug dealing" or similar.

Time for zero tolerance policing all round in Britain.

That ridiculous Cressida Dick is the main culprit in this scenario.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

If one day without business is enough for you to have to lay off staff, then you probably shouldn't be running a business in the first place. Or he could just be full of shit and paid by the Sun to make up a sob story.

I wonder if the poor fucker in the ambulance that was held up managed to survive?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The police as left wing hippy enablers? I've heard everything now.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Why don’t the police enforce the ‘Obstruction of the Queens highway’, or however it’s worded, law on these folk? It’s clearly a breach.
If you block the highway to protest against illegal immigration the police become quite assertive.
Block the highway and costs business hundreds of thousands of pounds, for 'the environment' ,the police aren't bothered.
Vandalise London and assault police for BLM, now't happens. Turn up to protect the statues and the police are suddenly assertive.
The police are politicised and regard what used to be seen as Left wing views as the centre-ground. They therefore regard Conservative views as XRW and have probably had instructions from on high that they are to ignore many of these liberal/fashionable protests.
Problem with this is that is the start of the slippery slope.

As a former New York mayor stated many years ago " if you tolerate a broken window or graffiti, the next thing you are tolerating is drug dealing" or similar.

Time for zero tolerance policing all round in Britain.

Obstruction of the Highway
Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980 says that “if a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence”. The penalty for this offence is a fine and not imprisonment.


The excuse would be exercising their lawful right to freedom to protest - as the EDL and anti-immigration activists were when they blockaded the Port of Dover yesterday.

Outrage on BM it seems only extends to groups with which the poster disagrees

 

[BobKowalski]

I wonder if the poor fucker in the ambulance that was held up managed to survive?

Christ, you mean the bloke that had to sack the nippers delivering the papers because his business was ruined also ended up in an ambulance?

And I thought I had a bad day.

 

[jma]

And this is a flawed argument from history, as the fact is that not every cause is accepted by the majority, and results in the legislation that validates it.
It's a glib assumption that is made by the supporters of such causes.
CND has, and still is, campaigning, after 60 years or so, and is no nearer to acceptance than it was when it started, so presuming it's all good and benign, and everyone will fall in with it is wrong. Most sensible folk know about climate change, indeed this country has gone much further than most in tackling it,
it doesn't need the antics of these idiots disrupting business, and indeed actively endangering life, to deal with on top of everything else.

You'll be hard pushed to name many, if any causes, which are accepted by the majority at the time of protests.

If that is the test, then no protests at all would be permissible.

Which is not the sort of society that most people aspire to live in.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I wonder if the poor fucker in the ambulance that was held up managed to survive?

I drove up to the North East from the South Coast yesterday - saw several blue lit emergency services vehicles progress impeded and blocked. Mostly because of piss poor driving, queues on slip roads they were trying to use ( people trying to get into designer outlets and the like - close all the shops again I say, let the Ambulances through ) and by jams at road works ( close Highways England let the blue lit flow ) - happens all the time. However Tom Harwood films one ambulance in a traffic jam in the centre of London ( something that has never happened before I am sure ) and whaddya know......

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Just think, if the Mail properly regulated it's comments say with catchpa, you could believe it was probably a genuine comment. Still, free speech innit?

You may not be aware, but it's illegal to print lies in newspapers, what you're
doing is referring to the political slant all of the popular press has. The Guardian presents news, but edits it to include/exclude content that doesn't fit its agenda.
Same with the Mirror, Express etc;

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You'll be hard pushed to name many, if any causes, which are accepted by the majority at the time of protests.

If that is the test, then no protests at all would be permissible.

Which is not the sort of society that most people aspire to live in.

I don't doubt that, and certainly don't want protesting stopped. I do want it stopped when it moves to anarchy, destruction or affects life and livelihood.

 

[blueinsa]

Just think, if the Mail properly regulated it's comments say with catchpa, you could believe it was probably a genuine comment. Still, free speech innit?

I bet its a constant shock to log onto bluemoon and find it filled with a pro Manchester City membership and comment?

 

[bluethrunthru]

You may not be aware, but it's illegal to print lies in newspapers, what you're
doing is referring to the political slant all of the popular press has. The Guardian presents news, but edits it to include/exclude content that doesn't fit its agenda.
Same with the Mirror, Express etc;

Satire Lives !!

 

[Fame Monster]

I think it was an own-goal to target the newspapers.

XR should be focussed on getting everyone together to support action against climate-change, and targeting the Murdoch press just seemed like it was motivated by the other political opinions of these newspapers rather than their positions on climate change.

 

[blueinsa]

but the Mail's entire business model is based around publishing clickbait as a means to sell premium rate advertising space.

What was they trying to sell via a comment about the XR demo at the printworks?

Is the Mail the only paper via its online platform that bases its content on clicks for revenue?

Is it the only online publication that sells premium advertising space?

Have you thought this narrative through?

What do Bot farms and XR have in common?

 

[bluethrunthru]

I don't doubt that, and certainly don't want protesting stopped. I do want it stopped when it moves to anarchy, destruction or affects life and livelihood.

I was in Salisbury on Thursday - anti mask rally ( well anti everything TBH ) in the City square - yes they impeded peoples progress across the square - their loudhailers and speeches weren't encouraging business in the outdoor seating areas of coffee shops and those on the fringes accosting people who passed by who were wearing masks to demand why they were being controlled by the govt was a bit of an issue but everyone let them get on with it - no-one came out from Costa to complain, no-one found it annoying to divert up back streets to circumvent none mask wearing people shouting in their faces as it was their right to protest. I think their message is wrong and dangerous but they are entitled to a view.

Interestingly the grifters were there grifting encouraging donations to their movement and getting people to sign up to another rally in London later this month - the latest in a series. When they meet do they march on pavements or do they obstruct the road? In doing so do they divert ambulances as a result? If so where is Guido Fawkes filming that and where is the moral outrage on here? Just asking like.

 

[blueinsa]

But properly regulated, as least one assumes so.

Its regulated by the law, re what can or cant be said, shown, published and more importantly by Ric, its owner and he uses his own Code of conduct to police it.

If he doesn't want a poster or certain things said on here he will get rid, if he likes them he will let it go.

I'm not sure where you are going here but i think its the Mail operates outside of the law/regulation or some other tin foil hat theory you have constructed?

It doesn't. You just dont like its content which s a perfectly acceptable position to take. I have never bought it and but for links on here would never read its content but i don't think what it does is illegal in any way, its just shit and not for me so i don't bother with it.