Another new Brexit thread

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Vic said:
I'm waiting for those who insisted the democratic mandate of the referendum must be respected to justify this.

The opening words of the Tory manifesto:
"My guarantee. If there is a majority of Conservative MPs on December 13th, I guarantee I will get our new deal through Parliament."

None will dare say he fulfilled that, will they? That we couldn't change our mind with another referendum, but he can fulfil a promise then renege on it? Or will they say we all knew what "my guarantee" means?
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kevin horlocks wand said:
Oh this thread is going to explode if the news is true,
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What happened to this then ..... A Conservative party advertisement. The lies they told you to steal your vote part 21.


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west didsblue said:
No doubt about it.
It’s an attempt to get the EU to shit their pants.
It will spectacularly backfire.
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Some in the EU think it's just red meat for the Tory Brexit ultras to disguise the concessions we're about to make.

Eustice still extolling an Australian style deal. One Irish TD saying what the UK is heading for is a Somalian or Outer Mongolian style deal.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
As I posted earlier .... simply by threatening to rip up the agreement the damage has been done. They've shown that '' An Englishman's word is no longer his bond''
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Might as well go for it then if the damage is already done I suppose. Anthony Eden and the Suez canal like your comment re "An Englishman's word" btw.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Might as well go for it then if the damage is already done I suppose. Anthony Eden and the Suez canal like your comment re "An Englishman's word" btw.
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We were under threat of economic sanctions from the Yanks ... the UK ,French and Israel didnt have much choice. Which brings me to another point.... how much of this is being driven by the forthcoming election in America. Theres no way Biden and the Democrats will stand by a trade deal if we tear up the Good Friday Agreement.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
We were under threat of economic sanctions from the Yanks ... the UK ,French and Israel didnt have much choice. Which brings me to another point.... how much of this is being driven by the forthcoming election in America. Theres no way Biden and the Democrats will stand by a trade deal if we tear up the Good Friday Agreement.
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Good job there isn't a trade deal with the US to stand by.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
We were under threat of economic sanctions from the Yanks ... the UK ,French and Israel didnt have much choice. Which brings me to another point.... how much of this is being driven by the forthcoming election in America. Theres no way Biden and the Democrats will stand by a trade deal if we tear up the Good Friday Agreement.
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Nor is there any chance the Chinese will listen to any protestations re HK likewise Spain and Gibraltar - nobody will want to waste time negotiating anything with a regime who won't stand by any binding international treaty they themselves have negotiated and agreed.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
We were under threat of economic sanctions from the Yanks ... the UK ,French and Israel didnt have much choice. Which brings me to another point.... how much of this is being driven by the forthcoming election in America. Theres no way Biden and the Democrats will stand by a trade deal if we tear up the Good Friday Agreement.
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Vic said:
Some in the EU think it's just red meat for the Tory Brexit ultras to disguise the concessions we're about to make.

Eustice still extolling an Australian style deal. One Irish TD saying what the UK is heading for is a Somalian or Outer Mongolian style deal.
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I have a suspicion that they will build as much pressure as possible and cause as much stink as they can as they know the shape of a deal that they can do (some massive concessions included) and that they want to be seen as having pushed it to the max and as late as possible before doing a deal. Part of the rationale is that the deal will not be very good so you have to frame it as a win at the 11th hour. The relief of delivering a Free Trade agreement and associated positive press calculated to be enough to face down the head-bangers who would know that we have ended up where we could have literally years ago if we hadn't had to waste so much time with the political posturing and 'red lines' - we basically sign up to the LPF to 'soften' the brexit end state.

But as always once you start making concession you are stepping on to the slope whereby you think if we concede on AB and C, why not just go the extra mile and throw in D & E and get back in the customs union and there would be zero trade barriers and no problem in NI. And if we are going there then why not look at membership as we than get a say in the terms of trade and access to the international deals that are far better than we will get outside full membership.
 
BobKowalski said:
Another story out of Dublin via RTE that

‘London has for weeks been asking Dublin to intercede with the European Commission to be flexible on the NI Protocol and in return the UK would help Ireland on the land bridge issue

The story is supported by senior sources in Dublin and London. Specifically, Irish officials have been asked if they could persuade the Commission to allow supermarket consignments going GB-NI to be checked at GB depots, rather than at NI ports‘

It would seem London is getting increasingly desperate over what it signed up to with the WA and NI Protocols and all this flapping is chickens coming home to roost.
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The clear implication being that otherwise the U.K. will impede land trade passing through the U.K. to and from Ireland - great way to forge a new relationship that, blackmail.

I’m guessing this weekend the usual papers will start blaming civil servants for everything rather than the government.
 
leithblue said:
The clear implication being that otherwise the U.K. will impede land trade passing through the U.K. to and from Ireland - great way to forge a new relationship that, blackmail.

I’m guessing this weekend the usual papers will start blaming civil servants for everything rather than the government.
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It is a strategy that is doomed to failure. This is from a couple of years ago but it shows that the EU have realistic contingency plans.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...-irish-freight-traffic-after-brexit-1.3708174
 
adrianr said:
Someone will certainly try.
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Looks like Iain Smith is first out of the blocks .... stating that the Withdrawal Agreement ''is not fit for purpose'' after denying MPs the time and opportunity to scrutinise it.

YCMIU if you really really tried.

On the same day that ''The Land of Hope and Glory'' stops funding the homeless in hotels because of the pandemic and turns them back out onto the streets.
 
They’re hoping that there’s enough people that are ideologically that bought in that it doesn’t matter how they accomplish it. The most worrying thing is they’re probably right.
 
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