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After a couple of years of not wanting to stop brexit, just uphold parliamentary democracy, we now have not wanting to stop brexit, just uphold international law and our national ethical standing.
 
I don't see that as the point at all

I see it that he is being a typical mardarse senior CS type that, because of his EU sycophancy, is refusing to undertake the job he has been well paid to do - to provide advice on how the achieve the implementation of a desired outcome of the PM

The more that do the same - the less there will be a need for Cummings to cull

Are you seriously suggesting a lawyer should knowingly assist in implementing something that breaks international law? And that not doing that is in some way an indication of “Eu sycophancy”?

As you are a very very long way down the rabbit hole if that is the case.
 
After a couple of years of not wanting to stop brexit, just uphold parliamentary democracy, we now have not wanting to stop brexit, just uphold international law and our national ethical standing.
It's admirable to hear so much concern about the reputation of the nation after years of hearing the same people talk it into the ground and demean its worth on the world stage.
 
It's admirable to hear so much concern about the reputation of the nation after years of hearing the same people talk it into the ground and demean its worth on the world stage.

Laughable response. The tory govenment is literlally demeaning the nation on the world stage and you pop up to accuse remainers of doing it. Nope - Remainers were pointing out that this was the direction we were taking. The government is only now coming clean with it.
 
It's admirable to hear so much concern about the reputation of the nation after years of hearing the same people talk it into the ground and demean its worth on the world stage.
Yep - it is of course just an outpouring of objectivity and support for UK Sovereignty and democracy - I am sure that it has nothing to do with Remainers seeing their arses and double standards
 
Laughable response. The tory govenment is literlally demeaning the nation on the world stage and you pop up to accuse remainers of doing it. Nope - Remainers were pointing out that this was the direction we were taking. The government is only now coming clean with it.
I didn't criticise 'remainers', I was criticising the likes of YOU.
 
Just listened to Jeremy Hunt on the radio reminding people that the biggest UTurn in the brexit negotiations has been from the EU, after they stated that they were happy for Britain to leave on a deal the same as Canada and Japan and then reneging on that agrement. Barnier convieniently forgets this when he trumps out his tired retoric about the UK not budging. Hold your nerve Frost.
 
Just listened to Jeremy Hunt on the radio reminding people that the biggest UTurn in the brexit negotiations has been from the EU, after they stated that they were happy for Britain to leave on a deal the same as Canada and Japan and then reneging on that agrement. Barnier convieniently forgets this when he trumps out his tired retoric about the UK not budging. Hold your nerve Frost.
EU: Okay UK, how do you want a deal?
UK: A similar deal to the one you gave Canada and Japan, I guess.
EU: That seems fa..wait a minute. Is that going to benefit you?
UK: ...and you. Dude its what the whole thing has been ab...
EU: DENIED!
 
Yep - it is of course just an outpouring of objectivity and support for UK Sovereignty and democracy - I am sure that it has nothing to do with Remainers seeing their arses and double standards

UK sovereignty is and has been applied throughout this process though.

The problem is we've already had a sovereignty exercise and we negotiated with the EU in (supposed) good faith but now we are choosing to actively renege on the thing we negotiated and agreed upon.

It isn't sovereignty or even an act of democracy, it's an act of vandalism because we can't and likely won't be able to get what we want.

In all of this a deal was meant to be easy, Boris even described it as oven ready and the electorate voted for it. Yet still why can't they get it over the line? My opinion is this is all about desperately dressing up what utter sh*t that deal has become.
 
And is not the gist of what you are saying here exactly what Remainers on here were applauding as democracy in action in the days of Bercow, Grieve and Soubry?

Was all that exultation and gloating really less than a year ago???
Did any Remainer advocate breaking the law to achieve it?
 
I don't see that as the point at all

I see it that he is being a typical mardarse senior CS type that, because of his EU sycophancy, is refusing to undertake the job he has been well paid to do - to provide advice on how the achieve the implementation of a desired outcome of the PM

The more that do the same - the less there will be a need for Cummings to cull
Shameless.

Does any Leaver have any idea of honour left?
 
It's admirable to hear so much concern about the reputation of the nation after years of hearing the same people talk it into the ground and demean its worth on the world stage.
Yes, normally I'd regard this as jingoistic or an anachronism based on our colonial past, but it is touching to witness such fervent patriotism.
 
Parliamentary sovereignty gives parliament the right to enact whatever law it chooses. There are no limits other than the ones it imposes on itself.

Beyond that, I’m not entering into a debate on the merits of what it should do. I only wanted to point out what it can do legally, to which the answer is ‘anything.’ And yes, that includes going rogue and ignoring international commitments. I’m a long way beyond wasting my time arguing with people who think it’s a good thing to be willing to walk away from international agreements. I’m simply pointing out that the provisions of the WA, despite what was said at the time, do not impose legal restraints on what Parliament now chooses to do.

On the last paragraph, Perhaps we can agree that they are a bunch of incompetent cunts?
Just clarify for the sake of the simple. When you say "ignoring international commitments" you mean that our sovereign Parliament can abrogate any international treaty. Is that breaking international law?

Is there any reason why the EU fishing fleet need obey the 200 mile limit to UK waters? Isn't that governed by international law?
 
Just clarify for the sake of the simple. When you say "ignoring international commitments" you mean that our sovereign Parliament can abrogate any international treaty. Is that breaking international law?

Is there any reason why the EU fishing fleet need obey the 200 mile limit to UK waters? Isn't that governed by international law?

What someone can do or in this case shouldn't do are very different things.

Genocide would technically be a legal act if a country approved it but tell that in the dock at the Hague though.
 
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