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Barnier has spoken...all very calm and low key as you would expect. Well apart from the did about ‘mutual trust and confidence’ :)

‘For there to be any future relationship between the EU and the UK, there must be mutual trust and confidence between us - today and in the future.

My statement following this week’s negotiating round:’

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Statement by Michel Barnier following Round 8 of negotiations for a new partnership between the European Union and the United Kingdom

The eighth round of negotiations on the future EU-UK partnership took place in London this week.\nThe EU remains committed to an ambitious future partnership with the UK. This would clearly be to the b
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west didsblue said:
I always stop reading when I see that poster’s name. You did well to get that far.
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Don't lie to yourself mate - it is so demeaning

You are fooling nobody - there is not a single post of mine that you have not pored over looking to find something to come back on

At least mine have content rather than just being stalking one liners

Anyway - I am not getting sucked in my your baiting again so carry on
 
meltonblue said:
Which courts are you referring to? As I think you’re proving my point!
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I am as long as the attorney general doesn't happen to be the highest legal authority in the land. I suppose the EU could take us to its own court, but of course we are no longer in the EU. They should probably just treat us like any other non EU state I suppose.
 
BobKowalski said:
Barnier has spoken...all very calm and low key as you would expect. Well apart from the did about ‘mutual trust and confidence’ :)

‘For there to be any future relationship between the EU and the UK, there must be mutual trust and confidence between us - today and in the future.

My statement following this week’s negotiating round:’

europa.eu

Statement by Michel Barnier following Round 8 of negotiations for a new partnership between the European Union and the United Kingdom

The eighth round of negotiations on the future EU-UK partnership took place in London this week.\nThe EU remains committed to an ambitious future partnership with the UK. This would clearly be to the b
europa.eu europa.eu
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It was only yesterday they were laughing at us apparently - why so serious all of a sudden?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
So the government defence for the new bill is that parliament is ultimately sovereign as enshrined and reinforced in law recently in the Miller case.

oh Gina ......
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I have said for many months that if we end up with a no-deal outcome - she and Corbyn, aided and abetted by Grieve et al - must shoulder a lot of the responsibility
 
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meltonblue said:
They’re hoping people are stupid enough to not understand they’re answering a completely different question that isn’t being argued. Parliament being sovereign isn’t the issue, nor is it a constitutional matter.

No one is suggesting that parliament can’t enact any law they like. What they can’t do is enact a law in order to get around a treaty obligation without breaching international law.

I’m staggered any lawyer would put their name to the statement she’s put out, let alone the attorney general.
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So....

You are more qualified than the AG?

I had thought that @Chris in London had cleared this up the other day

Distasteful maybe he found it - but he was helpfully clear
 
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We're probably all getting a bit excited a bit early. This bill hasn't even passed it's second reading in the commons. It's on Monday so you can expect Barnier and co with their usual respect for national parliamentary process to try and pressure that as much as possible which is good news if you want it stopped. If you want it to go through then there is hope that despite this govt and pm being crap and incompetent they have proven to be pretty shrewed judges of what they will be able to get away with.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It was only yesterday they were laughing at us apparently - why so serious all of a sudden?
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Because we reneged on an international agreement that is nine months old? Just a guess.

Also Barnier never laughs, I mean who is this ‘they’ bollocks? You ever see Merkel laughing at us? Macron? No, so lets put away our snowflake sensibilities for a bit.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I am as long as the attorney general doesn't happen to be the highest legal authority in the land. I suppose the EU could take us to its own court, but of course we are no longer in the EU. They should probably just treat us like any other non EU state I suppose.
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Ok so what do you mean by legal authority there? As they are still just a lawyer gving an opinion, that’s it - in the particular case a (I assume deliberate) irrelevant one about laws that weren’t even being questioned.

The Eu would take it to the joint committee that would then set up an arbitration panel, at which we would be found to be acting unlawfully. Well, we would if we tried to use any of the justification they’ve said so far...
 
BobKowalski said:
Because we reneged on an international agreement that is nine months old? Just a guess.

Also Barnier never laughs, I mean who is this ‘they’ bollocks? You ever see Merkel laughing at us? Macron? No, so lets put away our snowflake sensibilities for a bit.
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It was some French journalists apparently, which the snowflake Brexiteers have read across to being the whole EU establishment.
Sad really.
 
meltonblue said:
Ok so what do you mean by legal authority there? As they are still just a lawyer gving an opinion, that’s it - in the particular case a (I assume deliberate) irrelevant one about laws that weren’t even being questioned.

The Eu would take it to the joint committee that would then set up an arbitration panel, at which we would be found to be acting unlawfully. Well, we would if we tried to use any of the justification they’ve said so far...
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Especially as we’ve already admitted that we intend to act unlawfully.
 
west didsblue said:
Especially as we’ve already admitted that we intend to act unlawfully.
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Well, quite!

If Braverman had any kind of integrity about her and was following the code of conduct she should be, it really should be a resigning matter. Instead, she’s chosen herself to put politics above the rule of law.

Anyone remotely supporting it can
never criticise Trump and Barr again, we’re just as bad.
 
meltonblue said:
Ok so what do you mean by legal authority there? As they are still just a lawyer gving an opinion, that’s it - in the particular case a (I assume deliberate) irrelevant one about laws that weren’t even being questioned.

The Eu would take it to the joint committee that would then set up an arbitration panel, at which we would be found to be acting unlawfully. Well, we would if we tried to use any of the justification they’ve said so far...
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I honestly don't know. The AG is the legal big cheese in the UK/Govt, but don't suppose his individual authority is absolute or exceeds the high court. There may be a good argument for the EU's position as you say although I'm not quite sure where they could take it. The Vienna convention on international treatise may have applied if all EU members were signatories, but it appears the French are not. It could be that the AG changes their advice as in 2003, but also probably more likely that we ignore the international rules and regs and do what we want - again see 2003.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
We are f@cked with no deal and no solution to maintaining the Good Friday Agreement and you know it. ..... Breaking international law .. whats to stop Scotland declaring UDI and crashing the union? Whats to stop the reunification of Ireland after a referendum? Argentina going after the Falklands , Spain after Gibraltar (90%+ to stay in the Eu) .... all would simply require a breach of international law.

This is what happens when you vote but don't think. Elections have consequences.
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Lot of assertive comments there

I would be concerned about my choices if I was not well aware of your track record of being continuously wrong
 
blueinsa said:
I don't wum Vic.

Care to answer?

Sovereign Parliament can do whatever the fuck it wants. That's what we got told last year as it did its very best to reverse brexit and it was roundly applauded by many on here.

Breaching International law is something many countries are accused of. The EU was accused of doing so last year re the migrant crisis, as was Norway.

It's the new bone for you all to chew on for a few days and throw around which i get and understand but as of right now, have we broken International Law and if we have, how?

If we haven't and this is a negotiating tactic, that i will admit then feel free to say that.
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These lot chew a lot of bones
Bit desperate really.
I still think ultimately they aren’t that bothered....just can’t let go
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I honestly don't know. The AG is the legal big cheese in the UK/Govt, but don't suppose his individual authority is absolute or exceeds the high court. There may be a good argument for the EU's position as you say although I'm not quite sure where they could take it. The Vienna convention on international treatise may have applied if all EU members were signatories, but it appears the French are not. It could be that the AG changes their advice as in 2003, but also probably more likely that we ignore the international rules and regs and do what we want - again see 2003.
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They have no authority to the courts. All they do is advise the government. I said where the EU would take it, we signed up to that too.

I’m not sure there’s much of an argument to be had here given they’ve already said they’re breaching the law in the House of Commons already. The idea there is no potential recompense for that outside of reputational damage is a false one though.
 
blueinsa said:
5 mns on Google which many are really good at on here will give you a list the length of your arm as to countries breaking International Law.......the EU included.
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Oh my god the EU
Please god no!!!
My faith in democracy is now broke
How will we ever move on

Some on here are like Liverpool fans when it comes to the EU
‘This means more’
 
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