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ganganvince said:
That also works in reverse nothing they could do that would appease the left just a fact of life.
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And in reality - those labelled 'right-wingers' on here are in the main simply centrists

There are very few genuine right-wingers on this forum - but there are a great number of genuine left-wingers - who like to throw the right-wing label about
 
Fame Monster said:
I suppose it doesn't really matter because it doesn't really deal with whether it's the right/wrong thing to do but purely on the semantics of 'flouting the rule of law', I'm not sure passing a more recent law to revoke or breach an older law qualifies as such. Maybe 'flouting the rule of international law' would be a more accurate description but the British constitution has always allowed for that because it gives no special weight to international law unlike other countries.
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Personally I would just go with, we are ‘breaking International Law’ as per the Govts announcement in the House. Everything thereafter is just noise.

Either the UK is in favour of International Law or it isn’t and if it’s the latter then the UK can stop preaching to other countries about it. It will save a lot of eye rolling in the long run.
 
mcfc1632 said:
And in reality - those labelled 'right-wingers' on here are in the main simply centrists

There are very few genuine right-wingers on this forum - but there are a great number of genuine left-wingers - who like to throw the right-wing label about
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Out of interest who are these great number of genuine left wingers and by genuine i mean Socialists or Communists, not liberals.
 
mcfc1632 said:
And in reality - those labelled 'right-wingers' on here are in the main simply centrists

There are very few genuine right-wingers on this forum - but there are a great number of genuine left-wingers - who like to throw the right-wing label about
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says the man throwing the "left winger" label about.................
 
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Gaudion M said:
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Vic said:
And that's from a QC?

It's rubbish that treaty obligations only become binding if enshrined in domestic law. The dualist approach means something can be binding in international law despite what domestic law says. Miller was about getting parliamentary approval for invoking article 50 because it would alter domestic law.

Is there any precedent for parliament legislating to say that (while not withdrawing from a treaty) the UK can ignore its provisions? If it's a dualist system, is it even possible for a domestic law to unbind obligations in international law?
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And I'm not a lawyer.... I just know when someone, QC or not, is bullshitting.
 
Rascal said:
Out of interest who are these great number of genuine left wingers and by genuine i mean Socialists or Communists, not liberals.
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Do you not think both the right and left are suffering from the characterisation of everything even slightly one side or the other of wherever the centre is claimed to be as extreme right or left? It seems to be a disease of our time and perhaps a symptom of our relatively new online existences. The same seems to be happening with debates - brexit, blm, fodens shagging antics are just three that spring to mind where we seem to coral each other into two opposite extremes shouting abuse at each other across a chasm where the centre and non-binary nuanced debate should be.
 
Rascal said:
Out of interest who are these great number of genuine left wingers and by genuine i mean Socialists or Communists, not liberals.
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Actually good point - rather than say genuine left wingers - I should have said some genuine left wingers and a whole lot of faux left-wingers who are just shouty know nothings that wouldn't understand what it would mean to be Socialists or Communists - but flood every thread on the subforum with with their continuous moaning and virtue signalling
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Actually good point - rather than say genuine left wingers - I should have said some genuine left wingers and a whole lot of faux left-wingers who are just shouty know nothings that wouldn't understand what it would mean to be Socialists or Communists - but flood every thread on the subforum with with their continuous moaning and virtue signalling
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Is a faux left winger a right winger? Maybe it’s one of those faux traditional labour voters that half the Brexiters pretend they are.
 
Defence Sec Ben Wallace warns Britain’s enemies have “studied our vulnerabilities & adapted far more quickly than us”. UK military must become “relentlessly innovative”, he said, adding: “Instead of mass mobilisation, this future force will be about speed, readiness & resilience.” @Times

Translated: We can’t afford all these tanks, or soldiers, or well, an army. Soz.
 
BobKowalski said:
Defence Sec Ben Wallace warns Britain’s enemies have “studied our vulnerabilities & adapted far more quickly than us”. UK military must become “relentlessly innovative”, he said, adding: “Instead of mass mobilisation, this future force will be about speed, readiness & resilience.” @Times

Translated: We can’t afford all these tanks, or soldiers, or well, an army. Soz.
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The Tories are well versed at stripping back our defence provision - having no armour and turning the RAF into the Royal Drone Flying Corps is frankly disgraceful - all those who sided with them over the Last Night of the Proms and the outrage at our reputations being smeared need to understand our once proud armed forces are being reduced to a tiny security force and with this and their dodging International Law responsibilities they are making the UK a laughing stock.
 
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