COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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It’s ok, according to Worsley it’s nothing to worry about and the Government are doing a cracking job. Nothing to see here.

Did I say it is nothing to worry about? The government can’t magic a virus away. They have the impossible task of managing it and an economy. 600 people under 60 have died from it I believe. 99 percent plus will be ok. I maintain they have done a good job in almost impossible citcumstances.
 
'GREAT JOB' actually.
Top of many death leagues and bottom of post covid economic performance leagues.
But hey!

You are just a left wing nutter. What do you think we should do now? Lock everyone up?
 
Here's an idle thought that is heretical for me - and I feel awful even posting it. But it will never happen anyway.

Instead of expectng people to just comply or pay a fine - give them a choice as this is about wanting to be free to choose.

If you are caught breaking quarantine or lockdown you either spend 10 days indoors checked in some way (random time visits daily, ankle bracelets, or staying in a supervised facility of some sort).

Or you accept entry onto a list which places you at the back of the queue for any vaccine or should you need urgent attention after getting ill with Covid.

If these people want to be free to risk living with Covid. Let them do so in the knowedge they will be free to die with it too if they are unlucky.

Or at least may do so as they will be deprioritised over other patients with greater need because these selfish people have chosen willingly to accept that risk in exchange for ongoing selfishness.

Obviously not going to happen in a million years as a civilised nation would not do such things.

But we need an actual working solution that can be implemented without it being inhumane. Not hoping that idiots will suddenly turn into heroes because Boris has a press conference and asks them via some new slogan such as - Space your face not be a waste of space. Or whatever inane thing they dream up next.

Asking nicely does not work. We need a threat these people have to think about as a proper balance of risk.

So they choose to believe it is OK to risk infecting others because if they get sick enough to need help the NHS will prioritise them if needs be.

If made to cede that automatic expectation in exchange for ignoring the rules and putting others without a choice at risk it would at least give them pause for thought.
 
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And that's fair enough. It is however fair enough to assume that the majority of people not wearing masks have no issues, especially when round here particularly masks are a minority. If they all have problems then the levels of asthma round here must put LFC to shame.
I wouldn't know and very difficult to prove, simply saying don't assume
 
Did a job for 2 Cheshire East councillors on friday.
Cheshire East (macc, poynton, wilmslow down to crewe) are already £50m down this year. They said theyd be flabbergasted if there was another full lockdown.

good. To cripple the country over a virus with a 99.something% survival rate would be fuckin stupid
 
It was a lady called Dr. Rhonda Patrick’s episode, you can check out the 28min clip on it on youtube, she made some great points, including citing the Somali population of Sweden and the increase in COVID deaths amongst that community vs the native population. The lack of ability of the Somali to absorb the poor northern hemisphere sunlight due to the pigmentation of their skin amongst other added theories was interesting if not necessarily true.
The widespread infection in the Somali community in Stockholm had a number of causes. The lanuage barrier among the older population and that they live in multi-generation households, which is uncommon in Sweden contributed. But vit-D could also be a factor in the outcome. Obviously, natural levels were low after a Swedish winter for many people. If you are elderly and/ill, those levels wil probably be even lower as you tend to stay indoors. My niece is a doctor in the UK and she told me back in early March to start taking vit-D straight away, as a precaution.
 
Went to Hollingsworth Lake today, you can forget it people, absolutely fuck all social distancing, the wine press pub was rammed outside with people quite obviously not in a bubble. Tables full all next to others absolutely zero attempt by the pub to distance people, a glorious day they are obviously trying to maximise profits before been closed down again. Huge groups walking round the lake a lot more than 6 in a group, it’s a joke.
I have sympathy and anger at the government in equal measures, damned if they do damned if they don’t, if you can let football go on with 23 people on the pitch who are all from different places, what’s the difference sitting outside a pub on a glorious day, however personal responsibility has to come into play, we walked away from the pub and tried to make a wide berth walking round the lake, others don’t give a shit and then will be crying when they get ill or kill a relative.

Its been like that all the way through up there though. I live about a mile away and there's been regular complaints from locals about the number of people at the lake. The council shut the car parks and people just parked their cars anywhere. Double yellows, across driveways, up both sides of the narrow road that runs up past the wine press to the back of the lake. The police actually had to come out at one stage as the roads were totally gridlocked by cars just dumped by idiots.
 
The latest madcap idea.................. suppose with the leftovers the next day its back in the bubble....and squeak

 
Did I say it is nothing to worry about? The government can’t magic a virus away. They have the impossible task of managing it and an economy. 600 people under 60 have died from it I believe. 99 percent plus will be ok. I maintain they have done a good job in almost impossible citcumstances.
They started badly, there is no denying that, but they seem to have improved since then. Cummings has hamstringed them, though.
 
Sorry, but from the start Sturgeon has been repetitive in asking for a '4 nations approach', yet she (and everyone else) us continually taken by surprise by a Boris decision. It's not Scotland who are doing their own thing.
I respectfully disagree, time will tell I do think her first agenda is money, always is with the SNP.
 
All of them mate. I am glad.i console myself when made out to be some type of leper for praising the conservatives when they win elections. As they will the next one.
That is ridiculous - the banning from the whole politics forum. The very word "forum" denotes a place to debate, discuss, argue. I agree about Tories winning next election. I disagree about how the current government are handling this - they've had an absolute shocker. By every metric.
 
Did a job for 2 Cheshire East councillors on friday.
Cheshire East (macc, poynton, wilmslow down to crewe) are already £50m down this year. They said theyd be flabbergasted if there was another full lockdown.

good. To cripple the country over a virus with a 99.something% survival rate would be fuckin stupid

Down £50m? And yet they Govt are steaming ahead with a 100BILLION train...makes ya think.
 
I respectfully disagree, time will tell I do think her first agenda is money, always is with the SNP.

No no, that's fine, and an opinion which you're absolutely entitled to hold - no issue with that.

Without getting into the politics of this whole thing, I try and stay away from that thread now, I was more getting at the point you made about Sturgeon/Scotland doing things differently, when she's been asking time and time again to do things the same amongst the 4 nations - I'd definitely say that Boris is the one who is doing things of his own accord. Anyway, we move on...
 
We won't be having 105 pupils in our school for the next two weeks after our second positive test. We're now being bombarded (understandably) by worried parents. We have 8 staff awaiting results, all managed to get tested at local walk in centres Friday and weekend. We're at the absolute limit, staff-wise if some of these staff have to now isolate for a further 10 days. That's after two weeks since returning. This isn't sustainable. And we have put in a massive amount of work to try and be Covid-safe. Children (especially the youngest - we start at 3yr olds) cannot and will not socially distance, despite all our very best efforts. There's a great deal of goodwill out there at the moment, but I do fear that will change if and when staff / pupils / parents become very poorly (or worse) from a school-based infection. There are no easy answers - we can't shut down the schools, but we can't continue with the current guidance.
 
Did a job for 2 Cheshire East councillors on friday.
Cheshire East (macc, poynton, wilmslow down to crewe) are already £50m down this year. They said theyd be flabbergasted if there was another full lockdown.

good. To cripple the country over a virus with a 99.something% survival rate would be fuckin stupid
Cheshire East you say?
I wonder how much the councillors have trousered...
 
E - There's not going to be a second lockdown anytime soon

IMHO They simply won't close schools again despite the hoops they've made us jump through regards to remote learning. They NEED schools as free childcare so their precious lemmings can carry on working.

Whilst there may be "localised lockdowns" I think these will be nothing like the first lockdown as it's "unsustainable".

Schools and businesses open means people gather, they simply cannot help themselves.

I agree that they need schools as free childcare because hell if both parents happen to work and can't use Family to look after the kids where do they go? But we certainly aren't all lemmings, just some of us cannot work from home, I know for a fact I would sleep easier knowing my Wife wasn't looking after people with the bloody virus in Hospital and I wasn't making sure people could get stuff out of the taps!
 
We won't be having 105 pupils in our school for the next two weeks after our second positive test. We're now being bombarded (understandably) by worried parents. We have 8 staff awaiting results, all managed to get tested at local walk in centres Friday and weekend. We're at the absolute limit, staff-wise if some of these staff have to now isolate for a further 10 days. That's after two weeks since returning. This isn't sustainable. And we have put in a massive amount of work to try and be Covid-safe. Children (especially the youngest - we start at 3yr olds) cannot and will not socially distance, despite all our very best efforts. There's a great deal of goodwill out there at the moment, but I do fear that will change if and when staff / pupils / parents become very poorly (or worse) from a school-based infection. There are no easy answers - we can't shut down the schools, but we can't continue with the current guidance.

My wife teaches Y1 and there is no SD as you would expect from 6 year olds. Most of them have forgotten everything they learnt in reception. It wil have a terrible impact this long term on kids.

For me, schools need to stay open and if that means shutting pubs and other places then so be it. The government can extend the furlough if needs be.
 
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