Donald Trump

[Bazza_Talks]

Not an American, but I would have voted for Trump in 2016 and I would vote for Trump again. I am alot more scared of the radicalness on show from the Democrat's than from Trump.

What I have always liked about Trump is that he is unique. Normally to get into power, politicians say what they think people want to hear and once elected they do not follow through (because they never meant it). Trump however tells you exactly what he wants to do, warts and all, and in my estimation appears to follow through with it.

 

[Vic]

I have had some mixed interactions with business people I know. Some are very frightened by what potentially lies ahead (both because of the pandemic but also the prospect of a Trump dictatorship). Some love him, as he is a “useful idiot”, to borrow a term, and he allows many industries to get away with (in some cases literal) murder. The latter category I don’t get on with, as you can imagine.


The US constitution can’t be ammended via referendum. Though it is a relatively long and difficult process, my understanding is that’s not generally why it hasn’t substantively happened since 1971 (I think it is fair not to count the 27th amendment, as it was a ‘minor’ procedural ammendment effecting only Congressional salary changes).

From my reading, it seems to be mostly down to a lack of political will stemming largely from from a conservative, ‘originalist’ view of the text and American political culture. It leads to a resistance to wanting to change what is now seen as a sort of ‘scared text’ by many. But I may be incorrect. @FogBlueInSanFran could provide much more insight there than me.

Here is more information about the process if you have any interest:

Constitutional Amendment Process

The authority to amend the Constitution of the United States is derived from Article V of the Constitution. After Congress proposes an amendment, the Archivist of the United States, who heads the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), is charged with responsibility for...

www.archives.gov

By they way, I am not sure if you have gathered already, but I am not American, I and my Swiss missus (and parts of her family) do live here. But I am very invested in how things progress here for many reasons that I have outlined elsewhere in this thread, including because Americans and non-Americans here I care about are being and will be significantly impacted as things degrade. And the world is a much more dangerous place when one of the largest economies, with one of the biggest militaries, falls to fascism and autocratic rule.

I have other signficant concerns with how things are going in my home countries (UK and Spain) but that is for a different thread, which I no longer participate in for my own sanity. :-)

"...it leads to a resistance to wanting to change what is now seen as a sort of ‘scared text’ by many. But I may be incorrect...."

I think you may be!

 

[west didsblue]

Not an American, but I would have voted for Trump in 2016 and I would vote for Trump again. I am alot more scared of the radicalness on show from the Democrat's than from Trump.

What I have always liked about Trump is that he is unique. Normally to get into power, politicians say what they think people want to hear and once elected they do not follow through (because they never meant it). Trump however tells you exactly what he wants to do, warts and all, and in my estimation appears to follow through with it.

The criminality, narcissism, nepotism and fascist tendencies don’t bother you?

 

[Vic]

Not an American, but I would have voted for Trump in 2016 and I would vote for Trump again. I am alot more scared of the radicalness on show from the Democrat's than from Trump.

What I have always liked about Trump is that he is unique. Normally to get into power, politicians say what they think people want to hear and once elected they do not follow through (because they never meant it). Trump however tells you exactly what he wants to do, warts and all, and in my estimation appears to follow through with it.

It's the anti-Bigga...

Someone who thinks the Democrats are radical!

 

[SebastianBlue]

"...it leads to a resistance to wanting to change what is now seen as a sort of ‘scared text’ by many. But I may be incorrect...."

I think you may be!

I am happy to hear your thoughts!

It’s important to note, by the way, I was commenting on why it has not been successfully, substantively amended for 50 years (very long gap compared to most democratic countries), not why certain amendments have not been made, or what should be amended.

I do think political polarisation also plays a big part, as well. But a lot of that is down to a large portion of US citizenry not wanting to change the constitution at all, seeing it as a set of ‘commandments’ not to be altered, not a living document, which is what I referenced.

 

[mat]

Oh those pesky little Tik Tokkers planning a mass ghosting of his rallies in retaliation for banning the app and being an all round facist.

 

[Bazza_Talks]

The criminality, narcissism, nepotism and fascist tendencies don’t bother you?

I'd be voting for the future of the country and I see Biden and that Harris as really dangerous leaders. Harris actually has on her Twitter a plea for people to donate money to a fund to bail rioters out of prison that were arrested. Their failure to condemn attacks on police, public and private property scares the hell out of me.

None of that is to say that America more widely thinks as I do. I'm telling you though that under no circumstances could I vote for Biden.

 

[Vic]

Trump now questioning whether Ginsburg wrote her dying wish that her place not be filled till after the election. Says maybe one of the Democrats wrote it for her. Low, even for him. What a nasty **** he is.

Actually, Republican senators wrote it four years ago.

 

[west didsblue]

I'd be voting for the future of the country and I see Biden and that Harris as really dangerous leaders. Harris actually has on her Twitter a plea for people to donate money to a fund to bail rioters out of prison that were arrested. Their failure to condemn attacks on police, public and private property scares the hell out of me.

None of that is to say that America more widely thinks as I do. I'm telling you though that under no circumstances could I vote for Biden.

So no then.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I'd be voting for the future of the country and I see Biden and that Harris as really dangerous leaders. Harris actually has on her Twitter a plea for people to donate money to a fund to bail rioters out of prison that were arrested. Their failure to condemn attacks on police, public and private property scares the hell out of me.

None of that is to say that America more widely thinks as I do. I'm telling you though that under no circumstances could I vote for Biden.

Basically because you’re not American.
Right?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I'd be voting for the future of the country and I see Biden and that Harris as really dangerous leaders. Harris actually has on her Twitter a plea for people to donate money to a fund to bail rioters out of prison that were arrested. Their failure to condemn attacks on police, public and private property scares the hell out of me.

None of that is to say that America more widely thinks as I do. I'm telling you though that under no circumstances could I vote for Biden.

Well, as I keep saying, if you don’t do your homework, you make mistakes. You haven’t, so you have. You’re beyond hope of redemption at this late date. If I piled the dozens of quotes from Biden condemning precisely what you claim he hasn’t, you’d find another reason to castigate him. So we’ll just have to outvote you, or the “yous” that are American.

And here I am, a man who has tried over and over and over to explain to anti-Trumpers not to pile all pro-Trumpers together. That there really are frustrated, hopeless people in America who believe Washington has cast them aside, and that they have every reason to feel that way. And they fell in for Trump because they believed he was fighting for them. They just picked the wrong guy.

But you know what? I’m done now. I’m done with empathy, with unity, with hope that some day America can heal. If after EVERYTHING Trump has said and done, especially since the pandemic, you still can’t see and understand what evil looks like in a statesman, then there is no argument strong enough, no voice of reason loud enough, no insult biting enough to wake you out of whatever state you are in.

Your post is the most depressing thing I’ve seen in a while.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well, as I keep saying, if you don’t do your homework, you make mistakes. You haven’t, so you have. You’re beyond hope of redemption at this late date. If I piled the dozens of quotes from Biden condemning precisely what you claim he hasn’t, you’d find another reason to castigate him. So we’ll just have to outvote you, or the “yous” that are American.

And here I am, a man who has tried over and over and over to explain to anti-Trumpers not to pile all pro-Trumpers together. That there really are frustrated, hopeless people in America who believe Washington has cast them aside, and that they have every reason to feel that way. And they fell in for Trump because they believed he was fighting for them. They just picked the wrong guy.

But you know what? I’m done now. I’m done with empathy, with unity, with hope that some day America can heal. If after EVERYTHING Trump has said and done, especially since the pandemic, you still can’t see and understand what evil looks like in a statesman, then there is no argument strong enough, no voice of reason loud enough, no insult biting enough to wake you out of whatever state you are in.

Your post is the most depressing thing I’ve seen in a while.

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with what you said, we cannot lose empathy. It’s in short supply these days and if it gets worse, then lots of wars will happen.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Not an American, but I would have voted for Trump in 2016 and I would vote for Trump again. I am alot more scared of the radicalness on show from the Democrat's than from Trump.

What I have always liked about Trump is that he is unique. Normally to get into power, politicians say what they think people want to hear and once elected they do not follow through (because they never meant it). Trump however tells you exactly what he wants to do, warts and all, and in my estimation appears to follow through with it.

People with Z-heavy nicknames ‘likely to be morons’ find study

People with nicknames based on the letter Z are ‘much more likely to be an utter tool’ than those without such a nickname, researchers at Luton University have discovered.

newsthump.com

 

[domalino]

Not an American, but I would have voted for Trump in 2016 and I would vote for Trump again. I am alot more scared of the radicalness on show from the Democrat's than from Trump.

What I have always liked about Trump is that he is unique. Normally to get into power, politicians say what they think people want to hear and once elected they do not follow through (because they never meant it). Trump however tells you exactly what he wants to do, warts and all, and in my estimation appears to follow through with it.

There's an incredible amount of irony in this comment, it is surely a wind up?

No one is stupid enough to think Trump actually believes 5% of the often contradictory crap that comes out of his mouth, and no one who follows US politics at all would think he followed through on any of his promises.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with what you said, we cannot lose empathy. It’s in short supply these days and if it gets worse, then lots of wars will happen.

I’m not losing it inherently as a person nor do I wish ill. I just feel as if I’m in a one lane one way alley with a truck (lorry) bearing down on me. I’ve felt this way in a relationship or two, and felt this way when one of my best friends stole a bunch of money from his friends and ended up doing 18 months in jail but absolutely would not admit he’d done anything wrong.

In situations like that, there’s only one solution — disengage, detach, and leave the other to his/her fate.

 

[andyhinch]

There's an incredible amount of irony in this comment, it is surely a wind up?

I’d go for arsehole but that’s just a personal option

 

[BlueHammer85]

I’d go for arsehole but that’s just a personal option

I'd definately go for troll

 

[andyhinch]

I'd definately go for troll

So people are just born stupid, they’re still have a voice and rightly so

 

[Bazza_Talks]

Well, as I keep saying, if you don’t do your homework, you make mistakes. You haven’t, so you have. You’re beyond hope of redemption at this late date. If I piled the dozens of quotes from Biden condemning precisely what you claim he hasn’t, you’d find another reason to castigate him. So we’ll just have to outvote you, or the “yous” that are American.

And here I am, a man who has tried over and over and over to explain to anti-Trumpers not to pile all pro-Trumpers together. That there really are frustrated, hopeless people in America who believe Washington has cast them aside, and that they have every reason to feel that way. And they fell in for Trump because they believed he was fighting for them. They just picked the wrong guy.

But you know what? I’m done now. I’m done with empathy, with unity, with hope that some day America can heal. If after EVERYTHING Trump has said and done, especially since the pandemic, you still can’t see and understand what evil looks like in a statesman, then there is no argument strong enough, no voice of reason loud enough, no insult biting enough to wake you out of whatever state you are in.

Your post is the most depressing thing I’ve seen in a while.

My message shouldn't depress you if you believe I'm seriously mistaken. It concerns me that you cannot conceive of a reality in which people can reasonably hold a different view to yours. This is a democracy. I simply do not agree with the problems that that you perceive to be at issue in America currently. I do not consider Trump's disrespect for others to be an issue that is problematic for society. It has a solution, politics. If the people do not like it, they will not return him to office.

As for anti-Trumpers and pro-Trumpers. I don't think these concepts lead to many solutions. I judge policy on its merit and the circumstances. I would not support something simply because Trump says it. I find it equally farcical that there could be a group that opposes something just because Trump says it, although the ludicrous impeachment is perhaps a worrying example of that.

You say that I haven't done my homework, but a cursory glance at the Twitter timeline shows a lot of messages that I would hope you would agree, are concerning.



He calls for action and then ... blames the action on ... Trump!



He's irresponsible to be accusing the police of violence when an investigation has not been completed to ascertain the facts around the case...


He's not alone in being dangerous. Here is a potential VP accusing the police of a murder ...


People can reasonably come to a viewpoint that they really don't like Biden and his team or his campaign. There's plenty there to demonstrate concern. For what I care about most, Joe Biden is not a man I would trust to lead the nation. He fans the flames for anger, violence and riots. Far from uniting people I think he's doing the opposite. The police are crucial to safety. He is putting them in harms way.

 

[SebastianBlue]

My message shouldn't depress you if you believe I'm seriously mistaken. It concerns me that you cannot conceive of a reality in which people can reasonably hold a different view to yours. This is a democracy. I simply do not agree with the problems that that you perceive to be at issue in America currently. I do not consider Trump's disrespect for others to be an issue that is problematic for society. It has a solution, politics. If the people do not like it, they will not return him to office.

As for anti-Trumpers and pro-Trumpers. I don't think these concepts lead to many solutions. I judge policy on its merit and the circumstances. I would not support something simply because Trump says it. I find it equally farcical that there could be a group that opposes something just because Trump says it, although the ludicrous impeachment is perhaps a worrying example of that.

You say that I haven't done my homework, but a cursory glance at the Twitter timeline shows a lot of messages that I would hope you would agree, are concerning.



He calls for action and then ... blames the action on ... Trump!



He's irresponsible to be accusing the police of violence when an investigation has not been completed to ascertain the facts around the case...


He's not alone in being dangerous. Here is a potential VP accusing the police of a murder ...


People can reasonably come to a viewpoint that they really don't like Biden and his team or his campaign. There's plenty there to demonstrate concern.

Everything you just said is nonsense, defending your support of Trump by ignoring all of the horrific things he and his administration have *done*, and pointing out reasonable *statements* made by the rival candidate out of office as apparent proof of depravity worthy of scorn and opposition.

You then make a statement apparently admonishing said candidate’s running mate for accusing the police of something... they did (murder a US citizen whilst she slept in her own home).

You finish by saying Biden is the one fanning the flames for anger, violence, and riots. As opposed to the great humanitarian and uniter Trump?

Your stance is farcical.

But I think you are well aware of that, Pinoche.

I look forward to the inevitable posts from your other accounts in support of your position.