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SebastianBlue said:
Everything you just said is nonsense, defending your support of Trump by ignoring all of the horrific things he and his administration have *done*, and pointing out reasonable *statements* made by the rival candidate out of office as apparent proof of depravity worthy of scorn and opposition.

You then finish with a statement apparently admonishing said candidate’s running mate for accusing the police of something... they did (murder a US citizen whilst she slept in her own home).

Your stance is farcical.

But I think you are well aware of that, Pinoche.

I look forward to the inevitable posts from your other accounts in support of your position.
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You may want to reflect some more before rushing to the all to familiar defensive, tribal reactions. As I told you already, I don't have any skin in this game. I don't care if you disagree with me. Yet I find it perplexing that you cannot accept that somebody can reasonably hold a view that Biden is dangerous. I find that much more revealing about you and your tolerance for others than it is about me. You have made me consider whether this is an example of the Never-Trumpism you mentioned.

It reminds me of those video interviews on college campuses they did after Trump was elected. They filmed students responding to a statement that Trump had said on the campaign trail with the students asked to judge whether they agreed with the statement, how true and accurate it was. Interestingly, when the students were told the comments had been made by Obama they found them agreeable, respectable, trustworthy and reasonable. They were somewhat embarrassed when told the truth. Indeed the reverse was also found when Obama's past statements were repeated to students and were purported to be made by Trump. Maybe you are right, therefore, never Trumpism is a phenomenon. I had thought if it did exist it was confined to naive college students on radical campuses, but maybe it is much broader and deeper than that.
 
Bazza_Talks said:
You may want to reflect some more before rushing to the all to familiar defensive, tribal reactions. As I told you already, I don't have any skin in this game. I don't care if you disagree with me. Yet I find it perplexing that you cannot accept that somebody can reasonably hold a view that Biden is dangerous. I find that much more revealing about you and your tolerance for others than it is about me. You have made me consider whether this is an example of the Never-Trumpism you mentioned.

It reminds me of those video interviews on college campuses they did after Trump was elected. They filmed students responding to a statement that Trump had said on the campaign trail with the students asked to judge whether they agreed with the statement, how true and accurate it was. Interestingly, when the students were told the comments had been made by Obama they found them agreeable, respectable, trustworthy and reasonable. They were somewhat embarrassed when told the truth. Indeed the reverse was also found when Obama's past statements were repeated to students and were purported to be made by Trump. Maybe you are right, therefore, never Trumpism is a phenomenon. I had thought if it did exist it was confined to naive college students on radical campuses, but maybe it is much broader and deeper than that.
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You don’t care if I disagree with you, but you chose to use one of your three accounts to respond with several paragraphs of drivel that doesn’t actually support your position, but rather is an attempt to wind me up with childish insults?

All evidence to the contrary, 2Timer.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Everything you just said is nonsense, defending your support of Trump by ignoring all of the horrific things he and his administration have *done*, and pointing out reasonable *statements* made by the rival candidate out of office as apparent proof of depravity worthy of scorn and opposition.

You then make a statement apparently admonishing said candidate’s running mate for accusing the police of something... they did (murder a US citizen whilst she slept in her own home).

You finish by saying Biden is the one fanning the flames for anger, violence, and riots. As opposed to the great humanitarian and uniter Trump?

Your stance is farcical.

But I think you are well aware of that, Pinoche.

I look forward to the inevitable posts from your other accounts in support of your position.
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is this the same guy you banned from the trump thread last week?
 
Bazza_Talks said:
My message shouldn't depress you if you believe I'm seriously mistaken. It concerns me that you cannot conceive of a reality in which people can reasonably hold a different view to yours. This is a democracy. I simply do not agree with the problems that that you perceive to be at issue in America currently. I do not consider Trump's disrespect for others to be an issue that is problematic for society. It has a solution, politics. If the people do not like it, they will not return him to office.

As for anti-Trumpers and pro-Trumpers. I don't think these concepts lead to many solutions. I judge policy on its merit and the circumstances. I would not support something simply because Trump says it. I find it equally farcical that there could be a group that opposes something just because Trump says it, although the ludicrous impeachment is perhaps a worrying example of that.

You say that I haven't done my homework, but a cursory glance at the Twitter timeline shows a lot of messages that I would hope you would agree, are concerning.



He calls for action and then ... blames the action on ... Trump!



He's irresponsible to be accusing the police of violence when an investigation has not been completed to ascertain the facts around the case...


He's not alone in being dangerous. Here is a potential VP accusing the police of a murder ...


People can reasonably come to a viewpoint that they really don't like Biden and his team or his campaign. There's plenty there to demonstrate concern. For what I care about most, Joe Biden is not a man I would trust to lead the nation. He fans the flames for anger, violence and riots. Far from uniting people I think he's doing the opposite. The police are crucial to safety. He is putting them in harms way.
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So Trump’s disrespect for others (and the Constitution and the rule of law and the precedents set by other Presidents, etc.) aren’t problems, but — magically, somehow, the most important issue to you wasn’t even an issue Biden spoke to before George Floyd. What a coincidence! Wow, lucky for you a bunch of people died so you could find a better stick to beat him with, phew. What was it before? What was it before he was nominated? What was wrong with him in 2017 before we knew he was running?

The only thing worse than not doing your homework is thinking you have when you haven’t. And being a lying WUM with shadow accounts, that sucks too. Embarrassing for me that I took you seriously.
 
Bazza_Talks said:
Not an American, but I would have voted for Trump in 2016 and I would vote for Trump again. I am alot more scared of the radicalness on show from the Democrat's than from Trump.

What I have always liked about Trump is that he is unique. Normally to get into power, politicians say what they think people want to hear and once elected they do not follow through (because they never meant it). Trump however tells you exactly what he wants to do, warts and all, and in my estimation appears to follow through with it.
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You'll catch a few with that.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
He genuinely doesn't give a f*ck who he upsets as long as he thinks it benefits him.

Vile c*nt.
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The saddest thing is that he says these things and, somehow, it does benefit him.
Sowing the seeds of division seems to benefit the people in power has become the default on both sides of the Atlantic and we need it to change and quickly, or catastrophe will loom.
I’m half expecting a Russian/Eastern European election result announcement that Trump has won with 93% of the vote........
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
The saddest thing is that he says these things and, somehow, it does benefit him.
Sowing the seeds of division seems to benefit the people in power has become the default on both sides of the Atlantic and we need it to change and quickly, or catastrophe will loom.
I’m half expecting a Russian/Eastern European election result announcement that Trump has won with 93% of the vote........
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Catastrophe is almost definitely upon us.
 
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