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For the one or two closeted Trumpets that still pretend they’re only playing devils advocate or searching for “the truth”, can you cone up with a reason why Trump ALWAYS refuses to criticise Russia/Putin?

 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I don't see how something 'objectively true' is biassed.

It sounds like you are suggesting the MSM simply ignore it.
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No you haven't understood . If the hatred of a particular figure is so ingrained that whatever he says is claimed to be false or evil even when he may speak some truth then theres a bias against him. The blind hatred or never trumpism can lead to a denial of truth. Just as a blind hatred of Biden or any other figure can lead to same . That's what partisan politics does.
 
paulsimpson said:
Impeach for what ? Maybe a desire to defend a moral right to life of a baby in the womb?

Romney also has 2 bibles, the book of Moroni and the Christian bible. Surely he has a right to freedom of religion to believe those no matter how preposterous any or all those 2 may seem?

As for control over women's wombs it's mainly liberals ( within Dems and Repub parties ) who have had more control over women's wombs since Roe v Wade while babies in the womb have no say whatsoever.
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You want of list of impeachable offences Trump has committed?

ps, Dems haven’t had control of the SCOTUS since 1969, so you’d best check out the date of Roe vs Wade and why you think liberals have had control you lying little thing.
 
paulsimpson said:
No you haven't understood . If the hatred of a particular figure is so ingrained that whatever he says is claimed to be false or evil even when he may speak some truth then theres a bias against him. The blind hatred or never trumpism can lead to a denial of truth. Just as a blind hatred of Biden or any other figure can lead to same . That's what partisan politics does.
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Of course, I don’t think @Trevor Morley's Tache or most anyone else active in the thread would argue against the horrible impacts of partisan politics.

But the issue with Trump is that his “objectively true” — or even “partially accurate” — statements are so few and far between as to border on nonexistent for vast periods of time. This is a markedly different state than most previous Presidents (who have obviously lied or spoken half truths, but with nowhere near the frequency, vigour, or apathy to consequence) and has truly tragic implications for Americans and the world-at-large.

And such arguments about ‘Never Trumpism’ are less important when the ‘Always Trumpism’ is effectively advocating for the dissolution of the democratic republic.

False equivalency, in this case, is a more pressing problem. The two “sides” are not the same, as they do not have the same fundamental goals (whether the Trump supporters are fully aware of their contributions to the march to autocracy, or not).
 
SWP's back said:
There’s no free speech on this forum. It’s a private forum where members signs up to the CoC. You can choose not to post on it.
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There is a legal right to free speech which is enshrined in British law which is the basis of the CoC on this public forum.
 
paulsimpson said:
There is a legal right to free speech which is enshrined in British law which is the basis of the CoC on this public forum.
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No, this is a private forum and is not hosted in the U.K. and does not fall under British law and has no right to free speech. As you should know having posted on it for 12 years.

If Ric wants to ban the word ‘sausage’ or ban you for any reason he chooses, he can and you have no legal recourse to stop it.
 
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paulsimpson said:
No you haven't understood . If the hatred of a particular figure is so ingrained that whatever he says is claimed to be false or evil even when he may speak some truth then theres a bias against him. The blind hatred or never trumpism can lead to a denial of truth. Just as a blind hatred of Biden or any other figure can lead to same . That's what partisan politics does.
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For the last fucking time, THIS. IS. NOT. ABOUT. POLITICS.

No one -- NO ONE -- is one here saying everything Trump said is a falsehood. We are saying many of things he says are. That's not "blind", that's not truth-denial, it is objective, provable truth.

The hatred of Trump is anything but blind. It is based on a consistent pattern of behavior by the man for over 30 years in public life, the words he has uttered, the actions he has taken to hurt people, the Constitution, the rule of law, our government institutions, the functionality of bureaucratic institutions, the legacy of prior Presidents and I could keep going.

It is about THE MAN, not HIS PARTY. His party has enabled him in a shockingly sycophantic way which makes me, as a supporter of many Republicans over the course of my life, want to wretch, but I would feel the SAME if Trump had donned the banner of any other party.

I am EXHAUSTED making these basic points over and over again. Why are they so difficult to grasp? Never mind, I know why.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
For the last fucking time, THIS. IS. NOT. ABOUT. POLITICS.

No one -- NO ONE -- is one here saying everything Trump said is a falsehood. We are saying many of things he says are. That's not "blind", that's not truth-denial, it is objective, provable truth.

The hatred of Trump is anything but blind. It is based on a consistent pattern of behavior by the man for over 30 years in public life, the words he has uttered, the actions he has taken to hurt people, the Constitution, the rule of law, our government institutions, the functionality of bureaucratic institutions, the legacy of prior Presidents and I could keep going.

It is about THE MAN, not HIS PARTY. His party has enabled him in a shockingly sycophantic way which makes me, as a supporter of many Republicans over the course of my life, want to wretch, but I would feel the SAME if Trump had donned the banner of any other party.

I am EXHAUSTED making these basic points over and over again. Why are they so difficult to grasp? Never mind, I know why.
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I take it back, how we all are right now...

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SWP's back said:
You want of list of impeachable offences Trump has committed?

ps, Dems haven’t had control of the SCOTUS since 1969, so you’d best check out the date of Roe vs Wade and why you think liberals have had control you lying little thing.
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What impeachable offences?. Muller couldnt find anything because a false Russian dirty dossier was produced by team Hillary to gain access to spy via false and therefore unjustified FISA court warrants on him. This case to bring those involved in this fraud on the FISA court is ongoing.

As for the ad hominem and libellous remark I'm asking you to withdraw it.
Liberals / Dems in America control media in general and have had the presidency an equal amount of times as Republicans since 69. All have had major influence on aftermath of Roe v Wade and did nothing to protect the right of the child in the womb. E.g. Bush was pro choice. Trump or Romney may have an opportunity to redress all of that. The use of Romney may be vital or not. He didnt need his support at last impeachment vote. My point was that liberals in both parties have controlled the abortion issue and womens wombs in America at the expense of 50 million lives since 69. A man is hardly a cxxx if he defends those lives.
 
paulsimpson said:
What impeachable offences?. Muller couldnt find anything because a false Russian dirty dossier was produced by team Hillary to gain access to spy via false and therefore unjustified FISA court warrants on him. This case to bring those involved in this fraud on the FISA court is ongoing.

As for the ad hominem and libellous remark I'm asking you to withdraw it.
Liberals / Dems in America control media in general and have had the presidency an equal amount of times as Republicans since 69. All have had major influence on aftermath of Roe v Wade and did nothing to protect the right of the child in the womb. E.g. Bush was pro choice. Trump or Romney may have an opportunity to redress all of that. The use of Romney may be vital or not. He didnt need his support at last impeachment vote. My point was that liberals in both parties have controlled the abortion issue and womens wombs in America at the expense of 50 million lives since 69. A man is hardly a cxxx if he defends those lives.
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You obviously have only read the Barr summary of the Mueller Report if you believe that. Try reading the actual report.
Also nobody has yet demonstrated that the “dirty dossier” is anything but mostly accurate.
 
west didsblue said:
You obviously have only read the Barr summary of the Mueller Report if you believe that. Try reading the actual report.
Also nobody has yet demonstrated that the “dirty dossier” is anything but mostly accurate.
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I've read the report. No summary. Where is the evidence? Show me . Even if there were ,it is not an impeachable offence anyway. The only tangible evidence is of a frame job involving, DNC , intelligence officials, Dept of Justice etc etc on and on.
 
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