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paulsimpson said:
I've read the report. No summary. Where is the evidence? Show me . Even if there were ,it is not an impeachable offence anyway. The only tangible evidence is of a frame job involving, DNC , intelligence officials, Dept of Justice etc etc on and on.
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You did not read it — Mueller himself said he didn’t clear the President of wrongdoing in his report or anywhere else. Nor did he find evidence of a “frame job” or a mass deep state conspiracy.

He did find many insistences of potentially criminal behaviour by Trump, the Trump family, and associates of Trump, which have contributed to various charges and convictions since.
 
paulsimpson said:
So?
Whether he was involved before or not ,he certainly does defend the right to life now .
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The only thing he defends is his re-election.
The man has no conviction on anything other than his own wealth.

I’ve no particular interest in American politics. Republican or Democrats or otherwise.
But anyone who cannot see through this vile gobshite is beyond help in my book.
 
paulsimpson said:
I've read the report. No summary. Where is the evidence? Show me . Even if there were ,it is not an impeachable offence anyway. The only tangible evidence is of a frame job involving, DNC , intelligence officials, Dept of Justice etc etc on and on.
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When did you read the report, exactly?

Was it before or after a judge ruled that Barr had illegally redacted information for the sole purpose of distorting the meaning of Muller's report, which did infact say Trump committed impeachable offences?
 
paulsimpson said:
I've read the report. No summary. Where is the evidence? Show me . Even if there were ,it is not an impeachable offence anyway. The only tangible evidence is of a frame job involving, DNC , intelligence officials, Dept of Justice etc etc on and on.
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That’s awful.
Sounds like fake news.
 
paulsimpson said:
I've read the report. No summary. Where is the evidence? Show me . Even if there were ,it is not an impeachable offence anyway. The only tangible evidence is of a frame job involving, DNC , intelligence officials, Dept of Justice etc etc on and on.
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The report set out the evidence.

Either you are lying about reading it, you read it and didn't understand it, or you read it and are being disingenuous about its findings.

Either way you are on a wind up.

Typical Trumper.
 
‘Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, expect something in between’ has always been my motto.

In this case, though, I am hoping for manageable, preparing for the unthinkable, and expecting the (tragically) laughable.




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By the way, for anyone interested, the Supreme Court of Maine (the US state I currently live in) just ruled that ranked-choice voting can be used for the presidential general election, rejecting a legal challenge by Republicans.

It is the only state employing ranked choice voting for the presidential GE.

My ranking if I could vote:

  1. Joseph Biden
  2. Joe Biden
  3. J. Biden
  4. Kamala Harris
  5. Kam Harris
  6. K. Harris
  7. Michelle Obama
  8. My Dog
  9. My Dog’s Mistress Down the Block
  10. My Dog’s Mistress’ Chew Toy

www.cnn.com

Maine's Supreme Court clears the way for ranked-choice voting

Maine's Supreme Court has sided with the state's Democratic secretary of state and rejected a Republican challenge to ranked-choice voting in the upcoming election.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
SebastianBlue said:
You did not read it — Mueller himself said he didn’t clear the President of wrongdoing in his report or anywhere else. Nor did he find evidence of a “frame job” or a mass deep state conspiracy.

He did find many insistences of potentially criminal behaviour by Trump, the Trump family, and associates of Trump, which have contributed to various charges and convictions since.
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I read the report through and it is biased towards trying to get Trump on something but as you say only potential criminal behaviour. That's all you have. The framing via the dirty phoney dossier is currently being investigated by Durham. After the election a special counsel may be appointed to convict those of defrauding the FISA court since Durham doesnt have much time to complete his investigation before the election.
 
paulsimpson said:
I read the report through and it is biased towards trying to get Trump on something but as you say only potential criminal behaviour. That's all you have. The framing via the dirty phoney dossier is currently being investigated by Durham. After the election a special counsel may be appointed to convict those of defrauding the FISA court since Durham doesnt have much time to complete his investigation before the election.
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I said potentially only because no Federal charges can effectively be brought against the President while he is in office based on DOJ policy.

Many of his associates have already been indicted (some convicted) and he most certainly will be if he leaves office based on the myriad criminal activity Mueller and others have found. This is one of the many reasons he is desperately trying to hold office and will do so even after a potential second term (as although he can continue to have state charges brought against him, as he already has, having the the AG and DOJ as his personal defence team allows him to shield himself in a way he could not once he leaves office).

As others have said, there is already plenty of evidence for impeachable offences, but while the Republicans hold the senate he will not be removed, despite having already been impeached.

And if he and his henchmen succeed in turning the US in to an autocracy, he will not stand accountable for his crimes for a long, long time, if ever. And your assertions of him investigating and prosecuting his political enemies, and likely common dissenters with them, will also come true.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I said potentially only because no Federal charges can effectively be brought against the President while he is in office based on DOJ policy.

Many of his associates have already been indicted (some convicted) and he most certainly will be if he leaves office based on the myriad criminal activity Mueller and others have found. This is one of the many reasons he is desperately trying to hold office and will do so even after a potential second term (as although he can continue to have state charges brought against him, as he already has, having the the AG and DOJ as his personal defence team allows him to shield himself in a way he could not once he leaves office).

As others have said, there is already plenty of evidence for impeachable offences, but while the Republicans hold the senate he will not be removed, despite having already been impeached.

And if he and his henchmen succeed in turning the US in to an autocracy, he will not stand accountable for his crimes for a long, long time, if ever. And your assertions of him investigating and prosecuting his political enemies, and likely common dissenters with them, will also come true.
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It seems that the Dems will stop at nothing to use their autocratic influence to get him even though the false dossier was used to frame him and spy on him. That is a high crime and misdemeanor. They'll never own up to that . So they must be dealt with by the rule of law. But ...
Autocracy is shown when the courts are corrupt and immoral and are used as political weapons to get a man,charge him with something, frivolous law suits, force confessions like Gen Flynn etc on and on not because hes committed crimes but because he speaks out and often speaks what he thinks . Thats his right although oft times he should just shut his own mouth. His ad hominem remarks while hostile and unpalatable at times are not crimes and certainly are not impeachable as he hasn't broken any constitutional law.
 
west didsblue said:
You need to brush up on your comprehension skills then.
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Again the ad hominem remark. Give something of substance . Argue the issue not the man. The dirty false dossier used to spy on him is allegedly evidence of a high crime by those in DNC at the time and other higher ups. The case is ongoing...
 
paulsimpson said:
Thats his right although oft times he should just shut his own mouth.
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Physician, heal thyself.

He’s so Simon pure and innocent, it’s all a conspiracy, but apparently you want him to shut up. Now why would that be? Because nearly every time he opens his mouth he proves you wrong and you look like even a bigger fucking idiot than you did the day before?
 
paulsimpson said:
It seems that the Dems will stop at nothing to use their autocratic influence to get him even though the false dossier was used to frame him and spy on him. That is a high crime and misdemeanor. They'll never own up to that . So they must be dealt with by the rule of law. But ...
Autocracy is shown when the courts are corrupt and immoral and are used as political weapons to get a man,charge him with something, frivolous law suits, force confessions like Gen Flynn etc on and on not because hes committed crimes but because he speaks out and often speaks what he thinks . Thats his right although oft times he should just shut his own mouth. His ad hominem remarks while hostile and unpalatable at times are not crimes and certainly are not impeachable as he hasn't broken any constitutional law.
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Ok, this is where I am going to disengage, mate.

The argument is becoming circular: I answer with facts and reasonable opinions based on many experts’ observations and you answer with Trump projection and nonsensical “reverse” accusations of conspiracy and autocracy from... the party that is not in power.

It’s not a good use of either of our time, as we are obviously never going to find common ground here.

I do hope you one day see you were backing the racist, genocidal, fascist horse, though.
 
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