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Healdplace said:
With the other naions added there is now over 5000 Covid patients in UK hospitals around a quarter of where we were at the peak. This second wave is really taking off sadly.

It was 3448 a week ago.

521 on ventilators also. (it was 410 a week ago)
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Unfortunately, whilst I think it won't happen, we do need a minimum of a three week lockdown and quickly. Another 17k+ new cases today, where the fuck are people catching it from if we are all meant to be being sensible.
 
marco said:
sky news just showing the intensive care unit at Warington, poor people cant breath and some were not that old, at the end there was an old guy who was panting for his breath,,,very sad cant get it from my mind
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The first thing that strikes me is the ages of the patients filling the critical care beds.
The faces of COVID-19 victims seared into our collective consciousness are mostly elderly. Not exclusively but overwhelmingly. But as I walk through Warrington Hospital's intensive care unit I see that many of these patients are not old

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Coronavirus: 'This is what a second wave looks like' in an intensive care unit

The first thing that strikes me is the ages of the patients filling the critical care beds.
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Len Rum said:
They should have shown inside the covid wards in the first wave to make people aware that the deaths are more than just a number.
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They did , there were lots of consultants etc filming and posting it and talking to the media ,the gov and local authorites threatened that they would be fired if they talked to the media so it stopped , i know because i was posting it all
 
Regional scoreboard sees a new record for the North West sadly.

London up quite a bit - 1441 - up from 801.

Midlands up to 1086 from 938 but this region has been very stable with six of seven days in the last week all between 928 and 1096.

North East 1045 - down from 1150. Again all past 7 in narrow range of 1000/1100

Yorks 2230 - up from 1953.

And North West: Up from 3981 to 4510 - highest ever apart from the day we got all the catch up data added.
 
Healdplace said:
With the other naions added there is now over 5000 Covid patients in UK hospitals around a quarter of where we were at the peak. This second wave is really taking off sadly.

It was 3448 a week ago.

521 on ventilators also. (it was 410 a week ago)
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Yep , here we go and it is only mid october
 
Nobody picked up my point that half ish ( my guess)front line workers of all kinds are bame and have other conditions making them vulnerable , allong with a fair share of other staff as well ,lots up to 65 age group , who do the lock away the vulnerable people think are going to cover them ? The nhs would completely crumble without them
 
Eds said:
Unfortunately, whilst I think it won't happen, we do need a minimum of a three week lockdown and quickly.
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It seems a certainty that the climate has a very significant part in how this thing thrives. Both directly due to its favoured temperatures and indirectly through peoples behaviour in colder and or wetter conditions. With this in mind and the time of year the last wave hit us I have some very grave concerns indeed.

We are currently seeing a rise of infections that I cannot see any reason why they would decrease at all without some severe interventions until March April at the earliest. I cannot fathom why the government or anyone else think these half measures are doing anything particularly useful. The only thing that could make it half excusable or even logical would be if we are playing for time prior to an imminent roll out of a vaccine.

If that is not the case I really cannot see how they can simply fuck about whilst its clear the current rises will not be checked by half measures.

I am afraid a return to full lockdown including schools closing is the only way I can see holding this thing in check until the climate once again becomes favourable.

Yes all the arguments against lock down for the economy and other health issues all have plenty of credence but there are clearly no easy answers and it becomes ever more crystal clear that until an effective vaccine is given to at least the older and more vulnerable this virus has us by the bollocks and the world is royally fucked.
 
kaz7 said:
You are believing the barrington lot without looking at the list of who wrote it , take out the cranks and very few actual emminent , if any , people are on it versus all the real emminent ones against them , there is not a huge difference in what the leading experienced scientists from each country are saying , what the problem is they are hamstrung by the political leaders playing politics with it , if the leading scientists were left to it i suspect the world would be in better shape
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I've not even read it cant be arsed, sick of it all now to be honest. Don't know what to think from 1 day to the next everything is all over the show.
 
cleavers said:
The idiots who aren't being sensible ?
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Indeed but in what settings are people catching it. Hospitality say it's not there, gyms say not there, schools are pretty much coping and students have caught it in their thousands but don't appear to be hospitalised or dying. Where are these people catching it? Something needs doing and quickly otherwise we will have a situation in this country as we did March / April with over 100k new infections and hundreds of deaths each day. And some people want to get back into grounds, utter madness...
 
Not a great day for Greater Manchester - but not a disaster. Up from 1445 to 1521 - but the GM numbers in last four days have been stable at this level - 1455, 1533, 1445 and 1521.

At 33.7% of the NW total that is actually the best in a while and shows the real problem is not GM as it once was (over 50% at one time and in the 40's most of last week).

Most places in GM though up today. Only two down (Trafford and Stockport - neither below 100). Manchester back in the 400s for first time in 5 days. And Wigan having its second worst day ever and unbelievable how it has got to where it is.
 
purplenose said:
It seems a certainty that the climate has a very significant part in how this thing thrives. Both directly due to its favoured temperatures and indirectly through peoples behaviour in colder and or wetter conditions. With this in mind and the time of year the last wave hit us I have some very grave concerns indeed.

We are currently seeing a rise of infections that I cannot see any reason why they would decrease at all without some severe interventions until March April at the earliest. I cannot fathom why the government or anyone else think these half measures are doing anything particularly useful. The only thing that could make it half excusable or even logical would be if we are playing for time prior to an imminent roll out of a vaccine.

If that is not the case I really cannot see how they can simply fuck about whilst its clear the current rises will not be checked by half measures.

I am afraid a return to full lockdown including schools closing is the only way I can see holding this thing in check until the climate once again becomes favourable.

Yes all the arguments against lock down for the economy and other health issues all have plenty of credence but there are clearly no easy answers and it becomes ever more crystal clear that until an effective vaccine is given to at least the older and more vulnerable this virus has us by the bollocks and the world is royally fucked.
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Whilst I agree with you, it’s impossible to lockdown again, how are we going to finance it, you are looking at maybe a trillion pounds to do it. How do we pay for it, it’s impossible.
 
Kier Starmer now holding press conference to demand the full lockdown Sage circuit breaker to happen right now.

Taking questions like Boris from journalists now.
 
The number of people reported to have died with coronavirus has gone up by 143, bringing the total number of deaths in the UK to 43,018, according to government figures.

With the 5,000 taken out but no evidence of why we are nearly at 50,000 and the ONS takes us to nearly 60,000, this with a lockdown , this is why it had to happen , i shudder to think what it would have been

I favour national circuit breakers , 2 weeks now and as needed into winter , all these fiddling measures are not going to cut it
 
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