COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[ganganvince]

I know you were. Dont worry. But I will try to remember tomorrow!!!

I used to live on the Wirral and my hubby was one who fought to get the Liverpool postcode removed and replaced by a Chester one instead. And he was a Liverpool fan. But it was impacting on home insurance prices.

And house prices used to work there really annoys them when you put the in front of Wirral

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Wales into a 2 week lockdown that will last 4/5 months. Just ridiculous now. Try implementing the measures from the last restrictions properly. Just a police state now because people won't fucking behave.

 

[abu13]

Hit home this morning when a doctor said that he expects the nightingale facilities to be used much more this time around, he said that many of the vunerable people have sadly passed away and as such we are now dealing with much healthier people being hospitalised and in his words " the critical care beds will not be freeing up due to people dying this time around"

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The quarantine thing is just astonishing. People have ZERO responsibility for their follow Brits.
- Only 18% of people fully quarantine.
- 30% don't bother at all
- The rest break it once or twice to get important stuff.

We really are fucked. As a nation we are packed with self centered twats who in reality couldn't give a shit about anyone else.

Or we might be filled with people on zero hours contracts who can’t actually pay the rent or put food on the table if they're off work? There are undoubtedly employers who insist people go in and there will be some who just don’t understand what’s expected.
The question is, what are the government going to do about it? Fining people £10k who haven’t got a pot to piss in isn’t a great idea, finding ways to keep people in, might work better.
Passing tracing details on to the police will just make people not go for a test and that seems a bit pointless. Mind you, if less go for a test, there will be less positives and they can claim their tier system is working. As cases look to be consistently falling in Manchester they’re desperate to do something before admissions and deaths follow at the start of November......

 

[Healdplace]

Hit home this morning when a doctor said that he expects the nightingale facilities to be used much more this time around, he said that many of the vunerable people have sadly passed away and as such we are now dealing with much healthier people being hospitalised and in his words " the critical care beds will not be freeing up due to people dying this time around"

That is something I had never realised but it makes a grim kind of sense on why there could be more - not less - pressure if death numbers are lower as we all hope.

Lengthier stays = longer queues for beds.

May explain the urgency not to get to a capacity crossroads too fast - hence the push on NW areas by government.

 

[Cassandra]

All I am saying is that numbers can be used to tell you what the person using them wants you to believe. And you may well not realise that is happening. Indeed often the journalist or the politician doing it has no idea they are doing it either.

Good to see the spirit of Darrell Huff lives on ...

You are very good at what you do, and Im really grateful for the work you put in. But if you refer to Ayrshire as Ayr one more time...

... but don't underestimate the "Somerset Park v Rugby Park" type tribal rivalry in Ayrshire!

 

[artfuldodger]

You’re not really suggesting she wouldn’t have been in hospital if Manchester had gone into tier 3 last Friday, are you? In fact, hasn’t Bolton been in some form of lockdown for months?

She's had it for 2 weeks and Bolton's pubs were shut until the beginning of October.

 

[artfuldodger]

Or we might be filled with people on zero hours contracts who can’t actually pay the rent or put food on the table if they're off work? There are undoubtedly employers who insist people go in and there will be some who just don’t understand what’s expected.
The question is, what are the government going to do about it? Fining people £10k who haven’t got a pot to piss in isn’t a great idea, finding ways to keep people in, might work better.
Passing tracing details on to the police will just make people not go for a test and that seems a bit pointless. Mind you, if less go for a test, there will be less positives and they can claim their tier system is working. As cases look to be consistently falling in Manchester they’re desperate to do something before admissions and deaths follow at the start of November......

Could they not spend the 50 million plus that Greater Manchester are being offered to shut down on supporting employees and employers, so self isolation is more tolerable. And some money spent actually enforcing it. Not with fines, but daily visits to check people are coping and offering support.

 

[Healdplace]

At least in about a months time we will know who got the argument over circuit break nationwide v local lockdowns right. When we see what happens in N Ireland and Wales.

Trouble is if England has called this wrong by then it may mean not a two/three week circuit break but one across much of the Winter given how much harder it will be to stop a runaway train in England than in two comparatively small nations. And they will also likely say England being wide open made the impact in Wales reduced as people will be travelling across the border day to day.

Let's hope both are equally effective.

 

[BigJoe#1]

And if you look at the situation in the South West - Devon and Cornwall - the area Boris singled out as being so low in numbers that it would be unfair to have a national circuit breaker penalising them - their ventilated Covid patients have risen in the same 7 days from 8 to 21 - a rise of over 150%. Patients also went up from 94 to 161 in this area - the biggest increase week to week in the UK in percentage term of nearly 70%.

With all due respect, it's this kind of comment and sensationalisation that is the route cause of the scare tactics that so many find problematic.

If the increase was from 1 to 5, say in the same family, would it be right to say there has been a four hundred percent increase? Would it not be better to say 8 out of xxxxx and 21 out of xxxxx?

Lies, damn lies and statistics, we can twist them to fit any narrative but to frighten people in this way is very irresponsible IMO.