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You do need to get you head around the fact that we have left in name and are executing leaving in practice.

Given that is the reality perhaps you ought to start getting behind the UK team and being positive when something goes the UK's way

What does getting behind the UK team mean? Will they perform better with the crowd behind them? I expect them to do their job and deliver a Brexit that benefits us all or at the very least does not cause hardship.

Should we start a Thursday night clap for our negotiators?
 
You live in a f**king dream.

This is from the Daily Telegraph today......

Business representatives on a conference call with Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, and Michael Gove, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, last week were invited to get ready for the opportunities of Brexit, which Mr Gove compared to the process of moving house to one with a different view.....

Neither Government representative could say what those opportunities are supposed to be, other than making trade with our nearest neighbours more difficult......

The collective psychology of the nation is, I fear, going in exactly the wrong direction to meet challenges as big as those of Brexit, or to exploit its supposed “opportunities”. The great irony is that despite our imminent divorce, we look more like France every day.....

But it is small wonder business leaders are in a state of such high alarm. On multiple fronts, we are taking huge risks with our future. In so doing, we disobey one of the first rules of battle; never fight on more than one front at a time.

I’m reminded of Edward Lear’s poem, The Jumblies. “They went to sea in a sieve they did, in a sieve they went to sea, in spite of all their friends could say, on a winter’s morn, on a stormy day, in a sieve they went to sea!”


Please don't reply, I find your little england bullshit intensely irritating.
Bless ...
 
What does getting behind the UK team mean? Will they perform better with the crowd behind them? I expect them to do their job and deliver a Brexit that benefits us all or at the very least does not cause hardship.

Should we start a Thursday night clap for our negotiators?

They are hamstrung by having to negotiate in empty stadiums and have been affected by some dodgy VAR decisions
 
What does getting behind the UK team mean? Will they perform better with the crowd behind them? I expect them to do their job and deliver a Brexit that benefits us all or at the very least does not cause hardship.

Should we start a Thursday night clap for our negotiators?
That's been done - let's think of something else

In the meantime perhaps we could all just stop rubbishing the UK and hoping for bad outcomes to happen for the UK

Might be worth a try - what do you think?
 
That's been done - let's think of something else

In the meantime perhaps we could all just stop rubbishing the UK and hoping for bad outcomes to happen for the UK

Might be worth a try - what do you think?

Well, thinking Brexit is a bad idea isn’t rubbishing the UK. Of course I’m dubious about how it will all shake down and don’t expect an honest representation of whatever is eventually agreed on our behalf. Personally I’m not hoping for a bad outcome for the UK but not hopeful of a great one. As I said though I expect the negotiators to get an outcome that benefits us all, I see that as being their job and they don’t need my support to do it
 
Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.

The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible
 
What a load of horse shit.
Sage words - sounds well thought through

So let's just keep on hoping things go wrong for the UK now and in the coming months - and ideally so bad that it damages the UK for decades to come

Radical approach to my mind - but I can understand that for some on here - it is far better to hate a shit current government so much that it is worth causing bad outcomes for the UK for decades

Much more sensible than hoping for good outcomes for the UK in these negotiations and then fuck this government off in a few years
 
Sage words - sounds well thought through

So let's just keep on hoping things go wrong for the UK now and in the coming months - and ideally so bad that it damages the UK for decades to come

Radical approach to my mind - but I can understand that for some on here - it is far better to hate a shit current government so much that it is worth causing bad outcomes for the UK for decades

Much more sensible than hoping for good outcomes for the UK in these negotiations and then fuck this government off in a few years

Continuing to believe that whatever people think about the government or Brexit will affect the outcome?
 
Well, thinking Brexit is a bad idea isn’t rubbishing the UK. Of course I’m dubious about how it will all shake down and don’t expect an honest representation of whatever is eventually agreed on our behalf. Personally I’m not hoping for a bad outcome for the UK but not hopeful of a great one. As I said though I expect the negotiators to get an outcome that benefits us all, I see that as being their job and they don’t need my support to do it
Let me be clear - to those involved in this current exchange......

My comments about supporting the UK are not aimed at you guys/ladies

There is though a cadre of Remainers - what some would call 'ultras' - that absolutely and clearly do place more importance on winning a debate on a football forum as more important than the outcome of the negotiations reflecting a good outcome for the UK

So - my apologies if my comments seemed more general - but the thread is dominated by a small group of Remainers that fit this description - hence my posts in that vein

In general though - for those that are not part of the pack - I suggest that you don't let their negativity inappropriately pollute your own thinking.

We will be living with the consequences of the outcomes of these negotiations for many years - this is not some Tory/Johnson thing - this is about the future of the UK

Let's all fuck of Johnson in 4 years - but let's all hope for a positive outcome from the negotiations in 2020/21 - because an incoming Labour government - will be better able to implement its policies if that is the case

Don't let the ultras poison your objectivity
 
Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.

The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible
i am guessing that you are quoting someone that had a dependency on doubtful substances?
 
Let me be clear - to those involved in this current exchange......

My comments about supporting the UK are not aimed at you guys/ladies

There is though a cadre of Remainers - what some would call 'ultras' - that absolutely and clearly do place more importance on winning a debate on a football forum as more important than the outcome of the negotiations reflecting a good outcome for the UK

So - my apologies if my comments seemed more general - but the thread is dominated by a small group of Remainers that fit this description - hence my posts in that vein

In general though - for those that are not part of the pack - I suggest that you don't let their negativity inappropriately pollute your own thinking.

We will be living with the consequences of the outcomes of these negotiations for many years - this is not some Tory/Johnson thing - this is about the future of the UK

Let's all fuck of Johnson in 4 years - but let's all hope for a positive outcome from the negotiations in 2020/21 - because an incoming Labour government - will be better able to implement its policies if that is the case

Don't let the ultras poison your objectivity
No there fucking isn’t.

There are however a number of leavers, including yourself, who don’t care what damage is done to the UK, both economically and politically, as long as they get their version of Brexit at the end of transition.
 
Continuing to believe that whatever people think about the government or Brexit will affect the outcome?
Strangely, you might think, no I don't - at least not in the context of what is posted on this thread.

This is a subforum on a football forum - nothing posted on here means fuck all in reality

My interest in posting on here is to act as a balance to those on here that seek to bamboozle and deceive fellow blues about an important subject - one that will affect their lives and the lives of their children and grandchildren.

In the main - posters on this thread are just football fans, but there are a few posters that are clearly political activists and they absolutely take whatever position and opportunity there is to affect the views of others and advance their narrow political aims

Brexit is the only political subject that I have any real interest in - because my views are formed over decades of 'proper analysis'.

Therefore I resist those that are only on here to vent their political hatreds and in doing so pollute the objective thinking of fellow blues on such an important subject that impacts them and their families
 
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