Another new Brexit thread

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Blue Hefner said:
One of the reasons, I believe, UK exports were high was because of the weak pound. Makes things cheaper for people to buy from the U.K. but more expensive for U.K. businesses to but the necessary from abroad
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They actually should have been even higher for that reason. It’s actually concerning that they weren’t.
 
mcfc1632 said:
You are doing that thing again - where you talk about the specific detail of (in this case the size of the UK deep sea fishing fleet) - in a way that shows that you do not understand the 'reality' of the wider negotiations and the role that the fishing industry can be further used to the UK's advantage

In particular you are reinforcing that you cannot grasp the reasons why a 3 year transition deal would be the better outcome

You would be best off giving up on the topic of fishing in these negotiations I suggest
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It seems to me Vics post is a credible description of a no deal impact on the fishing industry. What bit of his description is flawed?
That some of us believe a deal will be done using fishing as a lever in no way invalidates the comment or a belief that fishing might not be enough to get us over the line.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
It seems to me Vics post is a credible description of a no deal impact on the fishing industry. What bit of his description is flawed?
That some of us believe a deal will be done using fishing as a lever in no way invalidates the comment or a belief that fishing might not be enough to get us over the line.
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Just on half-term parental duties for a while - will explain later
 
jaseirai said:
That has UK exports at $467bn for 2019 when the actual figure is £689bn. Try to stick to facts rather than made up nonsense on Twitter.

www.gov.uk

2019 was record-breaking year for UK exports

UK exports at an all time high, with goods exports to non-EU countries growing by 13.6% on 2018
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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The numbers are in dollars and are for goods. Services are excluded.

It highlights three things. Firstly the devaluation of the £ post the 2016 vote and secondly the boost in exports Brexiteers claimed following the devaluation didn't happen. Finally, we are doing worse than our major competitors.

Whichever way you would like to spin, it is not a pretty picture and the pain of Brexit has only just started.
 
mcfc1632 said:
You are doing that thing again - where you talk about the specific detail of (in this case the size of the UK deep sea fishing fleet) - in a way that shows that you do not understand the 'reality' of the wider negotiations and the role that the fishing industry can be further used to the UK's advantage

In particular you are reinforcing that you cannot grasp the reasons why a 3 year transition deal would be the better outcome

You would be best off giving up on the topic of fishing in these negotiations I suggest
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Oh no. Save us from discussing specific detail. Much easier to bloviate about vague "wider" issues. Do you never do "SMART" (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic, and Timely)?

As for your new obsession with a 3 (or 5) year transition, it was the one UK concession that at least gives hope that we are not just relying on your "just walk away" mantra. If you can tell us where you said how good a 3 year transition would be before your poster boy Frost came up with it, I'll give you some credit.
 
west didsblue said:
I’m not arguing it wasn’t misleading, but once you know what it illustrates you can’t call it nonsense, and in reality it’s goods exports that are more relevant to the the population of the north. As to its linkage to the referendum, it was just a factual observation that compared to other countries the data illustrates a relative decline.
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Now you bring up the regions which would only be relevant if we didn't have one currency and central bank. Deflection is the name of the game here.
FSB or GRU?
 
dave_blue12 said:
The numbers are in dollars and are for goods. Services are excluded.

It highlights three things. Firstly the devaluation of the £ post the 2016 vote and secondly the boost in exports Brexiteers claimed following the devaluation didn't happen. Finally, we are doing worse than our major competitors.

Whichever way you would like to spin, it is not a pretty picture and the pain of Brexit has only just started.
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I'm aware of the existence of currencies.
Which part of 45 months of consecutive YoY growth are you not getting?
 
jaseirai said:
Now you bring up the regions which would only be relevant if we didn't have one currency and central bank. Deflection is the name of the game here.
FSB or GRU?
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I was actually prepared to give you some credit for posting some real facts with sources unlike most of the other Brexiteers who just bloviate and sneer. Looks like I was wrong. You’re just another bullshitter making idiotic comments.
 
west didsblue said:
I was actually prepared to give you some credit for posting some real facts with sources unlike most of the other Brexiteers who just bloviate and sneer. Looks like I was wrong. You’re just another bullshitter making idiotic comments.
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I was simply correcting incorrect information and conclusions. They often go unchallenged.
 
Vic said:
No deal and everyone suffers.

We're pursuing a theory at the expense of reality.

The theory is that we would expand the UK deep sea fishing fleet if we keep EU boats out of our waters. The fleet has been declining for centuries, not just the years in the EU. We can't expand it without foreign boats and foreign crews (because we already need foreign crews to make up for the lack of Brits willing to do it).

The reality is that our export trade (shellfish particularly) - with real current jobs at stake - would lose competitiveness if tariffs are applied, on top of the cost of customs red tape and the possibility of fatal delays at ports (i.e. the shellfish die en route), on top of low demand because Brits, and others, aren't going on holiday in the EU where they eat British shellfish (and half the continent isn't eating out at all).

Without a deal, EU fishermen go out of business, UK fishermen go out of business, there is less fish caught and sold, and it's obvious what this has to do the price of fish. We all pay more.
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Thank god the your reality, isn’t the reality.
 
jaseirai said:
I was simply correcting incorrect information and conclusions. They often go unchallenged.
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I wasn’t talking about that. I accepted you were correct about the tweet being misleading but then the discussion moved on to what the tweet actually illustrated which was goods exports, and you have tried to steer away from that by talking about central banks, currencies and by making stupid assertions about me being a Russian agent.
 
west didsblue said:
I wasn’t talking about that. I accepted you were correct about the tweet being misleading but then the discussion moved on to what the tweet actually illustrated which was goods exports, and you have tried to steer away from that by talking about central banks, currencies and by making stupid assertions about me being a Russian agent.
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I wasn’t being serious about the Russian bit; I’m sure you know that, but I shall refrain in future. Apologies
 
Some interesting titbits. A move to expand NI’s position as part of the EU economic zone.

The Irish govt has been pressing the EU and UK to allow NI exporters to benefit from existing and future EU free trade agreements.@RTE

www.rte.ie

Govt presses EU and UK to protect NI exporters

The Irish Government has been pressing the EU and UK to allow Northern Ireland exporters to benefit from existing and future free trade agreements between the EU and other countries around the world, RTÉ News understands.
www.rte.ie www.rte.ie
 
stonerblue said:
But installing a pm you think is a buffon to run the country just so they can 'get brexit done' is the height of patriotism..
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That's one of the scary things about Brexit which seems to go unchallenged on here. Johnson is Brexit. He did more to make it happen than anyone else. Then he managed to get himself in a position where he himself is the one negotiating it and implementing it. He surrounded himself with all the other Brexit supporters and so in effect we have ended up with a Vote Leave Government (which is why we have so many dead, but that's another story).

There are some seriously stauch Brexiteers on here but they've all agreed as far as I can see that he's incompetent and his government are incompenent.

How can you people not join the final dots? This is not a man you can trust. Once Johnson and his cronies have been ousted from government who the fuck do you think is going to "own" Brexit, or to make it work? There is nobody else. It's theirs. Johnson and Brexit are one. The minute you decide that he's a bullshitter you admit to yourself that you got bullshitted.
 
A useful pointer to what the UK is asking for in EU talks and the differences with ‘Canada’. The bottom item includes things like the Horizon Science program, ERASMUS.

 
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