Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

I want Nagelsmann but I do feel Poch is more likely. Similar to how we love a release clause purchase in the transfer market, I can see us taking the easier deal.

And then I’ll be keeping an eye on Walker, I am sure Poch revealed in his book Walker’s request to leave and Walker said it was private and should have stayed that way. Something like that. They had a falling out any way, and a breakdown in trust. I would hope they’ve moved on from it, but it might be something to keep an eye on when Poch inevitably arrives.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
I also think his answer to the question about his future was a bit weird “my future is bright, it’s brilliant”. It feels like an answer to deflect from or conceal the truth, that it’s a decision he’s already made. It’s the art of ‘lying’ whilst telling the truth. I don’t doubt that his future is bright, but we all know it’s not with City, which was what the question was wanting clarity on.
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His interviews really do my head in,he treats them with contempt and that just leads to further confusion and frustration.
 
nimrod said:
I don't think anyone on here is claiming to be a genius mate.
But forums are for people to express their opinions. I assume that's why Ric started BM.
If opinions annoy you then forums are not for you. I'm here because I like to read other fans opinions, even if I don't agree.
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You could have just gone with sarcasm is the lowest form of wit rather than that pompous crap.
 
Semper aggressus said:
Maybe he's as pissed off with recent recruitment as a lot of us are? Perhaps he wanted Haaland, or Sancho or Kai Havertz, or Son, who knows. But for whatever reason the funds seem to have tightened despite the cas victory and lots of clubs being desperate for cash due to covid while we're still financially sound.

But without better players than Rodri, Mahrez, Zinchenko, Mendy and Gundogan, and one fit striker (in a good week!) any manager would struggle, whether that's Pep now or Poch or anyone else next year.

Whoever it is, the team needs a rebuild with players great enough to replace the legends we've recently lost or those that are now too old/injured.
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Not sure Sancho should be on your list since he effectively gave him away by failing to offer a pathway into the team. Big mistake that looks like now.
 
Wonder if players really prefer this way of playing given how many points we dropped with it.

This is nowhere near the same style we had in 17-18, Pep changed it for the worse while allowed high pressing drop big time. Dont think our players are fit to do high pressing every 3 days, and that should normally mean we have to change the way we play, but no we play high line but with lack of serious pressing that creates big pressure on defence much more than it should face.

Not sure why Pep does not adapt, opponents do adapt all the time to us, recently they stopped pressing us high up the pitch and more and more managers opting for this, you dont see that much anymore they press our CB's and Ederson to bring ball out, and we comfortably can bring it up to half way line but thats actually very good for opponents they save lot of energy being more compact in their own half, they can close passing lines much better, isolate attackers too, they can take away most of the passing advantage of Ederson too this way.

They are happy to start to press Garcia, Dias etc only at the half way line and if they mess up there, or give the ball away its still a very big chance them running at the goal with speed and we were punished this way couple times already.

Even average managers seem to find ways to frustrate Pep, and the more regular it becomes the more you know something needs to be changed.

Next 5 league games will tell a lot, 3 of these are no excuse must wins (Sheffield away, Burnley home, Fulham home) while two really big games, Pool home, Spurs away which can be anything between 0 and 6 points.
We may not even have a real striker in these games, and if the plan is to play Mahrez centrally that can burn Pep big time.
 
I sometimes wonder whether Pep secretly wishes he had left after winning the treble in 2018/19. What a way to bow out that would've been after two seasons of literal perfection. The only thing missing was the Champions League and I have a feeling he would've left had we won it that year.
 
as said above, i think the next 5 games will begin to crystallise opinion around Pep. You'd think anything less than 10 pts and the knives will be out in a bigger way than we've seen up to now.
 
Our club is a unique opportunity at club level which may never be repeated, and I think he won't leave until we win the CL. Nobody can match the rewards he gets here, nobody.
 
David 'El Mago' Silva said:
I sometimes wonder whether Pep secretly wishes he had left after winning the treble in 2018/19. What a way to bow out that would've been after two seasons of literal perfection. The only thing missing was the Champions League and I have a feeling he would've left had we won it that year.
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He wants the CL.... and he can't get it. It's driving him nuts, 100%
 
OB1 said:
The difference now though is that with all those previous managers, the possibility of getting an upgrade existed but this time all you can do is get someone different but someone who I am 99.99999999999999999999999999999% confident will be a downgrade.

Pep is the best manager this club has had. The team that won 198 points in two seasons and won every domestic trophy in one season is probably the best we will ever witness as City supporters. It is a team that is not given the full respect it deserves because it didn't win the UCL.

Another manager will hopefully get the UCL monkey off the club's back at some point but they won't manage a domestic quadruple (they can feel free to prove me wrong).

So what's be biggest risk, giving our best ever manager, the guy who also, in my and plenty of other people's opinion, produced the greatest club side in history, some time and cash to create another great side or appoint someone who will not go down in history as one of the greatest sports team managers ever?

I mean, for example, Poch is available and he won's the square root of fuck all so that sounds like a great move to replace Pep with him.
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That's a fine defence of Pep, which I fully understand. But the reality is that as we sit here today, it's HIM who is creating the indecision by refusing to commit his future to the club. Of course if he signed a new five year deal we'd all be delighted. But since he hasn't I think it's kinda moot to talk about how anyone who replaces will be a downgrade. If Pep doesn't want to be here, that's our reality. I also really dislike this notion that the only way is down from Guardiola. Again that places him above the club, and I don't like that.

As for successors. Nagelsman and Poch for different reasons would be great appointments IMO. I'm not at all afraid of the Poch has won no trophies narrative.
 
BillyShears said:
That's a fine defence of Pep, which I fully understand. But the reality is that as we sit here today, it's HIM who is creating the indecision by refusing to commit his future to the club. Of course if he signed a new five year deal we'd all be delighted. But since he hasn't I think it's kinda moot to talk about how anyone who replaces will be a downgrade. If Pep doesn't want to be here, that's our reality. I also really dislike this notion that the only way is down from Guardiola. Again that places him above the club, and I don't like that.

As for successors. Nagelsman and Poch for different reasons would be great appointments IMO. I'm not at all afraid of the Poch has won no trophies narrative.
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I still think Pep is a lot better than both but I believe Poch would take us to the UCL final.
 
nimrod said:
If you had something subliminal between the lines it was extremely well hidden. what I read was your opinion of people who were complaining about Peps tactics.
Describing them as " pitifully greedy and petulant" and stating that you.... "get so F'ing sick of the whining and lack of respect"

Fair enough if I've misunderstood though
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Subliminal? Inferring from a lengthy piece of text more meaning than what's on the page isn't deciphering sleight of hand, it's a product of comprehension. Apologies as I may not have the Oxford education of some here but there's a difference between even roundly criticizing a coach who has presided over and directly contributed to the greatest era in football this team has ever had and dubbing him "the bald fraud" when the team isn't soaring. As to the quotes you are attempting to call me out on... I stand firmly by them: to expect perfection seasons on with the departures of talent we've had, injuries we've sustained and conditions both logistic and otherwise that this season is being played amidst is greedy and petulant- pitifully so. As well I am f'ing sick of the whining and lack of respect displayed by some when I look back and remember the recent bright period we have been gifted which I firmly doubt possible with another coach.
 
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i♥city said:
I still think Pep is a lot better than both but I believe Poch would take us to the UCL final.
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Of course Pep is better than both. But people are struggling to accept that he is not producing his top coaching form at City any more and hasn’t for quite some time. He’s a world class manager but both City and Pep need something new. He is still quite rightly in the conversation for being the best manager in the world, but that doesn’t mean we are not in a situation where the right decision is to part ways. We are.
 
pep doesn't look to have the same intention, also players showing signs of might be his last season. I don't think pep is really a long term manager overall, but I did think at one time with his relationship with the board he would make city long term. year off then Juve or PSG perhaps

I did say he will stay but changed my mind now, kind of feels like the mancini and pallers last season in this incredibly dead rubber season anyhow.
 
BillyShears said:
That's a fine defence of Pep, which I fully understand. But the reality is that as we sit here today, it's HIM who is creating the indecision by refusing to commit his future to the club. Of course if he signed a new five year deal we'd all be delighted. But since he hasn't I think it's kinda moot to talk about how anyone who replaces will be a downgrade. If Pep doesn't want to be here, that's our reality. I also really dislike this notion that the only way is down from Guardiola. Again that places him above the club, and I don't like that.

As for successors. Nagelsman and Poch for different reasons would be great appointments IMO. I'm not at all afraid of the Poch has won no trophies narrative.
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You are of course correct that if Pep doesn't want to be here that is our reality and we have to deal with it. However, all that is in the public domain is that he has in fact said he wants to stay. If he doesn't or changes his mind about wanting to stay, we just have to wish him well and find the best possible replacement.

The accepted wisdom is that managers who are in what appears to be their last year struggle to get the best of their team and no one can doubt that certainty of a longer stay is preferable. However, one can easily point to exceptions, perhaps most appropriately Pep's predecessor at Bayern.

You can dislike all you want the notion that the only way is down from Pep but I fear that you will find it to be reality. That doesn't mean we can't have great success or that whoever comes next won't win more trophies for City than Pep, even if it takes them longer. So many facts come in to play beyond the manager.

I'm not afraid of appointing someone who has won nothing as a manager: that can change quickly as Pep's Padawan has already proved at our expense. However, it is more of a risk. In the case of Poch, who I like, his largely abject failure in the domestic cups does concern me and, frankly, I've never seen any fucker go after trophies quite like Pep, besides maybe the Dark Lord down the road.
 
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