COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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BlueAnorak said:
The immunity study is the immunity study. It tells us nothing that we didnt know back in August - only that the same applies to Brits as is does to Chinese, Koreans and Japamese.
The survey doesn't cover memory T-cells or other forms of immunity.
When they come out with a paper on that I shall be interested.
For now I just say Meeeeh
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From the study today


It is possible that another arm of the immune system called T-cells, may remain active, but there is currently no available test for them.
 
Wales up first today as no Nicola briefing as yet (later today in Scottish parliament).

With data from 3 wks ago v 2wks ago v last wk v today

Deaths 1 v 5 v 10 v 7 today.

Cases 626 v 764 v 1148 v 1207 today (at 12% of tests - highest yet in Wales)

Might be a new Welsh record case number. Though as you can see up only 59 on seven days ago.
 
shemnel said:
i would argue that Occam's Razor would dictate that in a modern interconnected world, coupled with slight fatigue/apathy over flu like viruses coming from China, the virus was completely impossible to stop from leaving China's territory.
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Probably but it they hadn't been so secretive maybe others could have dealt better with it.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
So today’s research findings aren’t great for the Swedish Model or posters wanting to turn student accommodation into prison camps!
time.com

The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be A Model for the Rest of the World

Sweden's unique approach to the pandemic has drawn interest from other countries. But the data are clear: it's largely been a failure.
time.com time.com
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interesting that says that herd immunity is not achievable as well as own study here
 
Scottish data

25 deaths - most in a very long time

1327 cases at 8.7% on new measure

1100 in hospital UP 48 on yesterday

82 ventilator beds v 90 yesterday.

Big drop but a lot of deaths may be a factor there.
 
Sadly England hospital daily deaths top 200 for first time in second wave and are 207 and NW total 77.

Weekend catch up but even so.

Last week was 134 with 57 from NW.
 
Italy also restricting hospitality , must be something in it

In the last 24 hours thousands of protesters turned out in Italian cities and towns to object to the order for bars and restaurants to shut their doors at 6pm for the next 30 days. The government wants to try to limit social interaction and contain the virus.

But like elsewhere across Europe, Italy’s numbers are rising again and hospitals in the capital Rome are struggling. Long queues of ambulances have been seen outside hospitals in the city for days and ICU units are full of close to capacity.

all the latest rolling news is here

news.sky.com

Coronavirus live - latest news updates: Boris Johnson giving news conference as England goes back into lockdown

The latest news from the UK and around the world on the COVID-19 pandemic - as Boris Johnson holds a 5pm news briefing.
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kaz7 said:
Yeah, social media can be great but it can also spread some ridiculous stuff , my general gripe these days is we no longer have any imagination and like you say a thirst for knowledge , people just believe and repeat without engaging their brains and learning about things themselves

I always read , search out the facts, read and learn and form my own opinion , when it comes to this virus i am captivated by how ingenious and ruthless it is , i love learning about it as much as i am terrified about it . As with everything scary, if you front it up and understand it you can take some control
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The virus is far from "ruthless". If it were, it would have a case fatality rate (CFR) in the double % figures a la MERS, SARS and Ebola. Covid has a worldwide CFR below 3% and it's dropping as we develop new treatments.
 
Len Rum said:
ONS latest:
60k deaths with Covid mentioned on death certificate.
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More than 61k , dont let the bastards off a single one

More than 61,000 deaths involving COVID-19 have now occurred in the UK, new figures show.

A total of 59,927 deaths have so far been registered in the UK where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, including suspected cases, according to the latest reports from the UK's statistics agencies.

Since these statistics were compiled, a further 1,044 deaths are known to have occurred in England, plus 36 in Scotland, 62 in Wales and 47 in Northern Ireland.
 
johnnytapia said:
The virus is far from "ruthless". If it were, it would have a case fatality rate (CFR) in the double % figures a la MERS, SARS and Ebola. Covid has a worldwide CFR below 3% and it's dropping as we develop new treatments.
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Because we have taken measures to stop it, clearly but it still killing people in increasing numbers
 
Franny's toilet roll said:
I understand the mask theory, but my point is that most are ill fitting, causing an increase in people touching their faces and most are not storing them correctly or not washing them frequently. Unless they are the surgical mask type, disposable and fitted correctly, they are causing more harm than good. I'd rather people keep their distance and see more hand washing stations than people wearing masks
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Im not sure you do get the theory though as your argument doesn't fit the theory. Your arguing from the point that masks are there to stop you getting it from others, they are not.

The idea is to stop you spraying droplets onto other if you have it and don't know it.. If you have it and have got the virus on your own mask, no others are at risk from it unless your planning on throwing your mask at people!.

If you happen to have been near someone who has it and it gets on your mask then yeah you could catch it with miss handling but thats up to you to handle it right.

even if a poor fitting mask manages to stop even 25% of the virus droplets from you to others then that's 25% less out there.

im not including the idiots in this that dont cover noese etc.
 
Len Rum said:
ONS latest:
60k deaths with Covid mentioned on death certificate.
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Sounds like a radio phone-in: Can I get a mention for Covid?
How the fuck do you get a "mention" on a death certificate? At what point does a mention become the root cause?
Anne Boleyn. Death by beheading (and a slight tickly cough).
Donald Campbell: blitzed into a million pieces on Lake Coniston (and a nice shout out to the cancerous lung he had from 100 Bensons a day)
 
kaz7 said:
That is opposite to what our eminent scientists found in a massive ongoing study , i call bollocks
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Well not really. Again from early days the scientists have said antibodies may not be detectable after a few months but you would still have protection, so both may be correct.
 
Scotland 3 weeks ago to 2 weeks ago v last week v today

Deaths 2 v 7 v 15 v 25 today. Steep rise as you can see.

Cases 800 v 1297 v 1456 v 1327 today. Starting to look like they have indeed plateaued cases after the lockdown that started first here.

Hospital patients 262 v 527 v 824 v 1100 today

Rises of 50% v 57% v 33% Also showing a hint of optimism.

Ventilator 25 v 35 v 69 v 82 also seems to offer a similar slowing of the rise but after 25 deaths in one day many of which may well have been on those beds it is wise to be cautious,
 
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