Another new Brexit thread

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

And first prize in the random irrelevant post competition goes to.....

Mate, there is no point is there? You're a massive twat, but will just go crying to the mods at the drop of a hat and crying about me being a WUM. Of you fuck onto ignore to save them and myself further bother. I genuinely try to avoid the ignore thing as I believe it does me good to hear views I don't like, but you actually don't seem to have anything to offer.

 

[west didsblue]

Mate, there is no point is there? You're a massive twat, but will just go crying to the mods at the drop of a hat and crying about me being a WUM. Of you fuck onto ignore to save them and myself further bother. I genuinely try to avoid the ignore thing as I believe it does me good to hear views I don't like, but you actually don't seem to have anything to offer.

Bit of an overreaction.
Has someone pissed on your chips?

You’re quite happy to dish it out but if you can’t hack a bit of pisstaking without resorting to abuse you’d be better off sticking to Twitter.

 

[blueinsa]

If you ask the wrong question, you'll never get the right answer.
The vested interests of the few hobby farmers who benefit from public largesse.

Rich List billionaires scoop up millions in farm subsidy payments

Billionaires and aristocrats last year scooped up an even greater proportion of the UK’s biggest farm subsidy payouts, Unearthed’s latest investigation into the top 100 recipients of direct payments has found. Analysis of new government data reveals that one in five of the 100 largest payments...

unearthed.greenpeace.org

High food prices for the oiks it is. I'd have thought you'd be a Whig rather than a Tory.

"If then the prosperity of the commercial classes, will most certainly lead to accumulation of capital, and the encouragement of productive industry; these can by no means be so surely obtained as by a fall in the price of corn"

I'm 6 miles from a farmer here in Dumfries and Galloway. Every year, £2.1M in CAP payments for fuck all. He buys himself yet more land and enriches himself.

The CAP is reason enough to vote leave.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Name a benefit for farmers.

Maybe we are mistaken and they aren't protests by farmers in London. Maybe they're celebrations of all the tangible benefits they know they're getting from January 1st.

 

[RabidCity]

Farming subsidies are an absolute joke, supporting a cruel and environmentally destructive industry. Hoping to see these change over time.

 

[Vic]

I'm 6 miles from a farmer here in Dumfries and Galloway. Every year, £2.1M in CAP payments for fuck all. He buys himself yet more land and enriches himself.

The CAP is reason enough to vote leave.

The question was why farmers would vote to leave. What benefit will any farmer get from Brexit? Why would your farmer want to leave?

You might want to reform CAP (so would the EU) but it's not relevant to that question.

 

[Vic]

Farming subsidies are an absolute joke, supporting a cruel and environmentally destructive industry. Hoping to see these change over time.

By incentives to UK farmers to do environmental stuff rather than to produce food, and import cheap food not produced to environmental standards? That seems to be the plan.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Maybe we are mistaken and they aren't protests by farmers in London. Maybe they're celebrations of all the tangible benefits they know they're getting from January 1st.

Maybe it's the minority of farmers that voted remain that are protesting? I honestly don't know, but it might even have been the earlier article vic posted that said the majority voted Leave and it was the NFU that were remain rather than the farmers.

 

[BobKowalski]

So, with England shutdown for a month, the Govt has to complete Brexit negotiations and prepare the whole UK for a completely new political and economic relationship with our biggest trading partner in just two months.

Some great forward planning there, insisting on a complete break during the months a pandemic will hit a peak.

Really, well done all round, great job.

 

[Vic]

Maybe it's the minority of farmers that voted remain that are protesting? I honestly don't know, but it might even have been the earlier article vic posted that said the majority voted Leave and it was the NFU that were remain rather than the farmers.

What earlier article that said the majority voted leave?

 

[blueinsa]

So, with England shutdown for a month, the Govt has to complete Brexit negotiations and prepare the whole UK for a completely new political and economic relationship with our biggest trading partner in just two months.

Some great forward planning there, insisting on a complete break during the months a pandemic will hit a peak.

Really, well done all round, great job.

The covid situation here and in Europe just confirms and brings forward a FTA.

 

[RabidCity]

By incentives to UK farmers to do environmental stuff rather than to produce food, and import cheap food not produced to environmental standards? That seems to be the plan.

Remove them all together or pass to plant based farmers. Europe spending millions on pushing pork instead

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

What earlier article that said the majority voted leave?

Apologies Vic - genuine mix up. It was the poster before you referring to his farming family.

 

[BobKowalski]

The covid situation here and in Europe just confirms and brings forward a FTA.

An FTA will require a new customs and regulatory system to take effect on 1st Jan. Lorry parks, customs agents, customs officials, new forms and procedures to comply with are all needed with an FTA. NI protocols also need to be in place by 1st Jan.

So, great planning guys, well done to the ‘super forecasters in No.10’.

 

[blueinsa]

An FTA will require a new customs and regulatory system to take effect on 1st Jan. Lorry parks, customs agents, customs officials, new forms and procedures to comply with are all needed with an FTA. NI protocols also need to be in place by 1st Jan.

So, great planning guys, well done to the ‘super forecasters in No.10’.

Have you told the EU they will need all this as well and lambasted their lack of planning?

 

[bluethrunthru]

An FTA will require a new customs and regulatory system to take effect on 1st Jan. Lorry parks, customs agents, customs officials, new forms and procedures to comply with are all needed with an FTA. NI protocols also need to be in place by 1st Jan.

So, great planning guys, well done to the ‘super forecasters in No.10’.

Bob, Bob, Bob......Bobby , Bob , Bobby - despite what you saying being the truth we all all know that was project fear - it was confirmed in 2015/16 and voted as such in 2016. The will of the British people said it wasn't true even though that will now says they did know it they just don't fear it.......

 

[west didsblue]

The covid situation here and in Europe just confirms and brings forward a FTA.

Unless that agreement means we stay in the Customs Union for some time beyond the start of next year we’re stuffed.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Unless that agreement means we stay in the Customs Union for some time beyond the start of next year we’re stuffed.

Nah - can't see this PM making a U Turn.......

 

[BobKowalski]

Have you told the EU they will need all this as well and lambasted their lack of planning?

The EU would have happily taken an extension to transition at the height of the Covid problem first time around. The UK refused.

Furthermore, the EU countries only have to adjust their trading regime with one country. The UK has to adjust its trading regime with 27 countries. The EU nations do not have to put in place new regulatory systems for chemicals, medicines etc. The UK does.

So, for the third time, well done to the Brexit brains trust in not foreseeing the possibility of a second wave shutting down the country at the time we are trying to fashion a break from our main trading partners. Hell of a job guys, stick the oven on, we’ll be back in the New Year.

 

[blueinsa]

The EU would have happily taken an extension to transition at the height of the Covid problem first time around. The UK refused.

Furthermore, the EU countries only have to adjust their trading regime with one country. The UK has to adjust its trading regime with 27 countries. The EU nations do not have to put in place new regulatory systems for chemicals, medicines etc. The UK does.

So, for the third time, well done to the Brexit brains trust in not foreseeing the possibility of a second wave shutting down the country at the time we are trying to fashion a break from our main trading partners. Hell of a job guys, stick the oven on, we’ll be back in the New Year.

Is that a no?