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Blue Llama said:
How many suicides a day? Small compared with potential number of Covid deaths. Getting so pissed off with people trying to bend stats to fit their own position.
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did i give you any numbers er no? i told you a fact. suicides go up in recessions, and thats recessions without social lockdowns which will undoubtedly make things worse. just let me know what ive bent there? sorry you feel peed off for reading something you dont like or misread.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
So you dont have an issue with mental health problems rising, suicide rates going up. and other health services being put on the back burner as long as nearly all resources are put into covid. Because that is exactly what is happening.
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The problem is that other health services are on the back burner because of large numbers of covid cases . The way to maintain health services is to depress the virus.
There are lots of other trade offs and mental health problems are certainly one but other health services are not a trade off. You cannot maintain a high level of helath are provision simultaneously with a high level of virus transmission.
 
Marvin said:
Chain.
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I suspected as much.

Their only concern is profit,they are nothing like an independent in terms of the rules,the members or the mentality.

I hate the places at the best of times,a proper wanker magnet.

You'd need to judge each on its merits......but personally i wouldn't have too much of an issue if those fuckers had their doors shut,as the criticism/concern aimed at the industry may well be justified.

As said previously,visit an Independent and(in the main....) its a different game entirely.
 
mosssideblue said:
I called you on there being a cost analysis against epidemics. For me, life over money every day of the week.
Are you one of these lock the oldies up and let the young ones get on with it?
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i form my own opinions based on my life experiences and knowledge, i am happy to do so, i dont get pushed into corners, i try and be respectful of others and i take responsibility for my actions and life choices. i think there are better ways of dealing with covid. but it would take a stronger government than what we have. anyway im not wanting an argument. so have a good day. cheers.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
i form my own opinions based on my life experiences and knowledge, i am happy to do so, i dont get pushed into corners, i try and be respectful of others and i take responsibility for my actions and life choices. i think there are better ways of dealing with covid. but it would take a stronger government than what we have. anyway im not wanting an argument. so have a good day. cheers.
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Wasn't looking for any argument, just expressing my opinion based on my beliefs. Life is so precious and there are no rehersals.

I do agree, stronger leadership is needed.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
did i give you any numbers er no? i told you a fact. suicides go up in recessions, and thats recessions without social lockdowns which will undoubtedly make things worse. just let me know what ive bent there? sorry you feel peed off for reading something you dont like or misread.
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You quoted it as a way to reinforce the consideration of suicides as a factor that should play some part in lock down decisions. For clarity average suicide rates in the UK are barely into 2 digits per 100k of population per annum. Covid deaths are currently at 2.3 per 100k of population per week. Whilst suicides are tragic they shouldn't have an influence on fighting Covid.
 
everythingchangesbutblue said:
You can give your opinion on anything you want. It does not mean it is worth anything compared to the consensus of the qualified experts. This is a pandemic not football manager. Do you listen to the average man in the streets opinion on say cancer treatment? Fire safety or do you bow to the experts?
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This is a forum, not a SAGE meeting. SAGE aren’t coming on here to see what we’ve got to say, but we will all discuss the rights and wrongs of what they do, like any other matter.

They/the govt don’t seem to have looked at evidence that gyms aren’t really contributing much to spreading this virus and ignored the fact that’s schools are, massively. A barmy situation from them to put jobs and businesses at risk for what will be negligible impact on cases and deaths.
 
Blue Llama said:
How many suicides a day? Small compared with potential number of Covid deaths. Getting so pissed off with people trying to bend stats to fit their own position.
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Shouldn't we also consider the number of undiagnosed cancer patients there are due to Covid, or the number of fatal heart attacks and strokes that have gone untreated because of covid as well as the mental stress that many people are having to endure because if Covid?

Or are these meaningless and irrelevant statistics?
 
everythingchangesbutblue said:
No you don't. You said you have a PHD in computer science and statistics. That is in no way relevant to how the epidemiologists and virologists come to their conclusions. You may have some insight into the publishing of their statistics, i don't know. They or the government may disagree with you. But you have no insight whatsoever into how they come to the conclusions they do. None.
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You're a joke.
Time based correlation statistical theory doesn't change, no matter what you are measuring.
Quite simply the raw data is not published so we can't validate PHE statistics.
The fact that they got face mask science so badly wrong back in February/March/April tells me they need to have their workings checked.
They are not allowing this to be done.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Shouldn't we also consider the number of undiagnosed cancer patients there are due to Covid, or the number of fatal heart attacks and strokes that have gone untreated because of covid as well as the mental stress that many people are having to endure because if Covid?
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Maybe we should, how many have there been? When you have the data it will then be possible to make that judgement on facts rather than gut feeling.
 
Here is the latest top 10 red zone towns from the government based on their weekly pop(ulation) scores.

A few changes since last time but Greater Manchester still colonising these ten worst infected areas in UK. With their weekly Pop number.

Recall this is 5 days old data as they wait to allocate cases to the actual date - so after I will tell you how numbers are then I will say how things have been going since where I have been tracking.

1: Blackburn 736 (889 cases in last 5 days versus 772 in previous 5 - so will be well up and still top.

2 Oldham 689 (as of last night it had risen to 755 after a series of bad days so will be closing in on top)

3 Wigan 660 (recent numbers have been even worse and now up to 741 - so also pushing for top spot sadly)

4 Salford 611 (also been in big trouble in recent days and risen to 693 yesterday)

5 Merthyr Tydfil enters here at 586. Cannot update this,

6 Rochdale 573 (also gone up steeply in past days and was 660 yesterday)

7 Bolton 547 (gone up 48 in those days and was 596 yesterday)

8 Doncaster 540 (had fallen from 547 in previous days)

9 Rossendale 530 (big drop from 665 in past list - from recent scores not likely to be up much and likely out of top 10 now)

10 Tameside 529 (new entry but no surprise - was up to 576 last night)

Of the other GM areas only Bury are close to pushing for entry (currently 596),
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
This is a forum, not a SAGE meeting. SAGE aren’t coming on here to see what we’ve got to say, but we will all discuss the rights and wrongs of what they do, like any other matter.

They/the govt don’t seem to have looked at evidence that gyms aren’t really contributing much to spreading this virus and ignored the fact that’s schools are, massively. A barmy situation from them to put jobs and businesses at risk for what will be negligible impact on cases and deaths.
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This is a pandemic not Formula 1. People on here don't just state their view they flat out say the experts have got it wrong. Some flat out lie. If this virus has shown us anything its that there are some truly gullible people who get their opinions from social media. So in this case, science deniers are dangerous. They should have their own "alternative facts and science is wrong" thread
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Shouldn't we also consider the number of undiagnosed cancer patients there are due to Covid, or the number of fatal heart attacks and strokes that have gone untreated because of covid as well as the mental stress that many people are having to endure because if Covid?

Or are these meaningless and irrelevant statistics?
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To get the treatment that these people need means availability of NHS resource. Allowing Covid to get totally out of control will not facilitate that, hence measures needed to try and gain some control.
 
BlueAnorak said:
You're a joke.
Time based correlation statistical theory doesn't change, no matter what you are measuring.
Quite simply the raw data is not published so we can't validate PHE statistics.
The fact that they got face mask science so badly wrong back in February/March/April tells me they need to have their workings checked.
They are not allowing this to be done.
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You know nothing about how they came to their conclusions and you would be unqualified to asses it if you did. Your opinion against the experts is worthless. Its founded on your own starting bias.
 
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