COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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worsleyweb said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Covid-19 patients have cellular immunity six months after infection

A group of more than 2,000 people working for Public Health England volunteered to take part in the study and donate blood every month, with the first people recruited in early March.
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Some promising news
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The researchers say that while this study is encouraging and implies people have come cellular immunity to the virus, it does not mean people can not contract Covid-19 twice.

'It does not mean you can not get re-infected...' Professor Moss says.

'This can not be taken as confirmation of an immunity passport. Absolutely can not do that.'
 
grunge said:
Wouldn't be forever, natural herd immunity kicks in and it just becomes another seasonal virus ( maynot stop you getting it but my lower severity etc ).

Spanish flu for example lasted 3 years before that happened.

we would either need to lock down to "circuit break" it to prevent a big peek. create a solid track and trace system to prevent the peeks or increase NHS capacity to deal with the bigger peeks.

Have a play with this simulation. has all the scenarios in there.

ncase.me

What Happens Next? COVID-19 Futures, Explained With Playable Simulations

an interactive guide
ncase.me ncase.me
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Thanks for the link. Wow. So much to understand. Lucky I knew a bit already but my lunch break over ran looking at this. I think I will go for scenario 2 with no vaccine......do r<1 intervention forever wearing a mask in a post covid 19 world..
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
You need to produce loads of completely false and unreadable graphs and make doomsday predictions, none of which have yet to actually been proven to be correct, to be recognised as a ‘scientist’. Then you must accept that there is but a single, inalienable truth to science and just go along with whatever you’re told, or you’ll be patted on the head and called ’a denier’, thick or some other such pleasantry just for having the temerity to go on to a football discussion forum and suggest anything slightly different. As for thinking for yourself or having a different view? Well, that’s strictly a no as well......
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Dont be silly
 
roubaixtuesday said:
What do you mean by "the T cell theory"?
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Apologies....in a rush when I posted that.

Interested in whether it's possible to test if the population has memory cells for Covid19.
If not, then it seems if they're not testing positive or have antibodies registered by a test then they're still considered likely to catch the virus (even though they've had it and were asymptomatic) effectively enabling them to enter (or not enter) society.
I'm assuming this isn't possible otherwise we would've heard?

I might not even be framing the question correctly but I'm a layman as it comes when in the realm of epidemiology and virology (but like many others, desperately searching for an olive branch).

Thanks.
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
Thanks for the link. Wow. So much to understand. Lucky I knew a bit already but my lunch break over ran looking at this. I think I will go for scenario 2 with no vaccine......do r<1 intervention forever wearing a mask in a post covid 19 world..
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NHS being readied to roll out a mass vaccination programme from December 1, apparently.
 
Wales 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last wk v today (with caveat as above)

Deaths 4 v 1 v 6 v 3 today

Cases 625 v 487 v 1158 v 1646

Patients 327 v 482 v 616 v 762* (* not up to date)

Ventilators 29 v 40 v 56 v 57*
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
You need to produce loads of completely false and unreadable graphs and make doomsday predictions, none of which have yet to actually been proven to be correct, to be recognised as a ‘scientist’. Then you must accept that there is but a single, inalienable truth to science and just go along with whatever you’re told, or you’ll be patted on the head and called ’a denier’, thick or some other such pleasantry just for having the temerity to go on to a football discussion forum and suggest anything slightly different. As for thinking for yourself or having a different view? Well, that’s strictly a no as well......
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Worth mentioning that Sage are refusing to release the documents which explain how they got to the possible 4000 deaths a day figure, probably because they were made up round Whittey's gaff whilst pissed one night.
 
England hospital deaths - Sunday data warning - catch up will be tomorrow.~

118 deaths - 29 from the NW. It was 91 last week also with 29 from the NW.

So this is not a huge rise. Which is good news.
 
somapop said:
Apologies....in a rush when I posted that.

Interested in whether it's possible to test if the population has memory cells for Covid19.
If not, then it seems if they're not testing positive or have antibodies registered by a test then they're still considered likely to catch the virus (even though they've had it and were asymptomatic) effectively enabling them to enter (or not enter) society.
I'm assuming this isn't possible otherwise we would've heard?

I might not even be framing the question correctly but I'm a layman as it comes when in the realm of epidemiology and virology (but like many others, desperately searching for an olive branch).

Thanks.
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Sorry, not qualified to comment on that. My understanding is that it's possible that substantial immunity or protection is possible, but I don't know anything about how to test for that. The ethical and practical considerations of using a test of any sort for immunity to allow entry to society is a whole different can of worms.
 
I saw yet another person on tv today shouting suicide rates are soaring , that is just not true , it is much lower than last years figures

Data published by the Office for National Statistics on 1 September showed that in 2019 the suicide rate among men and boys was 16.9 deaths per 100 000, the highest since 2000 and slightly above the 2018 rate of 16.2 per 100 000. The suicide rate among women and girls was 5.3 deaths per 100 000 in 2019, up from 5.0 per 100 000 in 2018 and the highest since 2004.

The ONS also published provisional data for the second quarter of 2020, the peak of the covid-19 pandemic. It showed that there were 6.9 deaths by suicide per 100 000 people in England. This was the lowest of any quarter since 2001, but the ONS said that the lower number between April and June should be “interpreted with caution,” because the pandemic meant that inquests were delayed.

www.bmj.com

Suicide rates continue to rise in England and Wales

The Royal College of Psychiatrists has called for more research to understand why numbers of deaths by suicide in certain groups are increasing in England and Wales, after new figures showed a continuing rise last year. Data published by the Office for National Statistics on 1 September showed...
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Even with the caveat of the inquests being delayed it is still not soaring or indeed anything like last year
 
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N Ireland data:

8 deaths

493 cases (lowest in a while here)

From 39.6 K tests too, most I can recall seeing here.

The rolling case average over past 7 days has fallen again (been doing so for about 10 days now) from 5145 to 4949 today. It was over 7000 around when they entered their circuit breaker. Which seems to have been a clear success.

Patients 379 (up 18)

On Ventilators 42 (up 1)
 
kaz7 said:
I saw yet another person on tv today shouting suicide rates are soaring , that is just not true , it is much lower than last years figures

Data published by the Office for National Statistics on 1 September showed that in 2019 the suicide rate among men and boys was 16.9 deaths per 100 000, the highest since 2000 and slightly above the 2018 rate of 16.2 per 100 000. The suicide rate among women and girls was 5.3 deaths per 100 000 in 2019, up from 5.0 per 100 000 in 2018 and the highest since 2004.

The ONS also published provisional data for the second quarter of 2020, the peak of the covid-19 pandemic. It showed that there were 6.9 deaths by suicide per 100 000 people in England. This was the lowest of any quarter since 2001, but the ONS said that the lower number between April and June should be “interpreted with caution,” because the pandemic meant that inquests were delayed.

www.bmj.com

Suicide rates continue to rise in England and Wales

The Royal College of Psychiatrists has called for more research to understand why numbers of deaths by suicide in certain groups are increasing in England and Wales, after new figures showed a continuing rise last year. Data published by the Office for National Statistics on 1 September showed...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com

Even with the caveat of the inquests being delayed it is still not soaring or indeed anything like last year
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Oh that's ok then.

It's ok everybody, suicide rates aren't that bad.
 
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