COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[mosssideblue]

When did the spread of the virus spike? Hmmm... maybe when schools opened again perhaps? And are schools still open? It amazes me people defend this government it really does.

The government have not been great, but they are not as half as bad of those deliberately ignoring guidance after being told to isolate

 

[oman0115]

So you think it’s ok not to isolate after a positive test?

No

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Everytime he opens his mouth he lets himself down

I’ve liked his work with Vinny trying to help the homeless and he called it right about the Government being more interested about Southerners, but a Scouser shouldn’t have been allowed to be Mayor

 

[Healdplace]

Why have they chosen Liverpool not Manchester for the testing? I am sure the rewarding Liverpool v punishing Manchester factor was real. This is human nature and political reality after all.

But it also depends on what you want the testing to show.

If it is declining case numbers that you can argue how the new testing method has helped achieve then Liverpool is the obvious choice. Because as my nightly reports have shown the case numbers have literally plummeted over the past 2 - 3 weeks and yesterday were sub 200. Not 500 as they were just pre tier 3.

And, yes, like Manchester and other cities likely driven by student returns.

Manchester had a great day yesterday to its lowest numbers in over two weeks and GM might be on the cusp of doing the same as Merseyside but right now its more likely to not show a dramatic effect from this new strategy. Its a gamble of one clearly already doing it versus one that might.

The testing strategy is worth trying so I am not criticising the choice of location here but these decisions are not always just based on where a place should be because it has most need at that point in time. There are multiple factors at work.

Of course, the data could easily change things over the coming days before it happens. Almost certainly why the Salford testing plan was halted. When students returned there numbers skyrocketed. As they did in many university cities.

The university and schools returns - which had to happen for the sake of the next generation - clearly were the main reason why numbers climbed faster in some areas than government hoped. But that impact is now waning and we may be readjusting to a more normalised (and slower) Winter uptick.

It might even prove that waiting for this to play out before doing a new lockdown will (probably by fortune not design) bring numbers down faster than they might had students been driving a lot of cases at the same time.

 

[squirtyflower]

‘Only 20% to 25% of people are estimated to quarantine fully when asked to do so by test and trace’. And people blame the government for the spread of the virus. People need to look closer to home and be more accountable

It’s because so few people are acting responsibly that we are where we are and entering another lockdown for many to ignore again.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Liverpool have an impressive Academic Health Science Network involving past Presidents of Medical Royal Colleges. The network involves the local hospitals and health science facilities. Maybe it was easier to ramp up the testing to cover the population of Liverpool than it was for Manchester. That might be wrong and it might be about punishing Manchester but who knows?

 

[FantasyIreland]

‘Only 20% to 25% of people are estimated to quarantine fully when asked to do so by test and trace’. And people blame the government for the spread of the virus. People need to look closer to home and be more accountable

Yep,and while this is something of a sweeping statement........the younger ones are just to selfish and arrogant to do as they are told,and the older generation just don't seem to comprehend,or care about,the enormity of the issue.

 

[mosssideblue]

It’s because so few people are acting responsibly that we are where we are and entering another lockdown for many to ignore again.

And it will continue like this until these behaviours are stamped out. Sadly, I feel it will take curfews and military support.

 

[mexico1970]

I have lost count of the amount of people I have met that think this whole thing is a hoax and that it's a plot to subdue us as a society, masks and handwashing are not needed too.

You can't argue common sense with people who believe that, the only thing they will listen to is force IMO.

 

[shemnel]

It’s because so few people are acting responsibly that we are where we are and entering another lockdown for many to ignore again.

i think there's something in this but i think it's simply impossible to say that 'because of some people's failure to isolate properly, we are going into lockdown'. but you know, agree to disagree and all that.

 

[artfuldodger]

Why have they chosen Liverpool not Manchester for the testing? I am sure the rewarding Liverpool v punishing Manchester factor was real. This is human nature and political reality after all.

But it also depends on what you want the testing to show.

If it is declining case numbers that you can argue how the new testing method has helped achieve then Liverpool is the obvious choice. Because as my nightly reports have shown the case numbers have literally plummeted over the past 2 - 3 weeks and yesterday were sub 200. Not 500 as they were just pre tier 3.

And, yes, like Manchester and other cities likely driven by student returns.

Manchester had a great day yesterday to its lowest numbers in over two weeks and GM might be on the cusp of doing the same as Merseyside but right now its more likely to not show a dramatic effect from this new strategy. Its a gamble of one clearly already doing it versus one that might.

The testing strategy is worth trying so I am not criticising the choice of location here but these decisions are not always just based on where a place should be because it has most need at that point in time. There are multiple factors at work.

Of course, the data could easily change things over the coming days before it happens. Almost certainly why the Salford testing plan was halted. When students returned there numbers skyrocketed. As they did in many university cities.

The university and schools returns - which had to happen for the sake of the next generation - clearly were the main reason why numbers climbed faster in some areas than government hoped. But that impact is now waning and we may be readjusting to a more normalised (and slower) Winter uptick.

It might even prove that waiting for this to play out before doing a new lockdown will (probably by fortune not design) bring numbers down faster than they might had students been driving a lot of cases at the same time.

Why was the Salford trial halted?

 

[BigOscar]

‘Only 20% to 25% of people are estimated to quarantine fully when asked to do so by test and trace’. And people blame the government for the spread of the virus. People need to look closer to home and be more accountable

True but I think a lit of that can be massively improved by the tone and example the government gives. Ic people don't have much faith or trust in the government, they are less likely to follow the rules. We've never managed to set a consistent tone of how serious it is tbh.

Still though as you say, people still should do the right thing, even if they think they can get away with not

 

[mosssideblue]

True but I think a lit of that can be massively improved by the tone and example the government gives. Ic people don't have much faith or trust in the government, they are less likely to follow the rules. We've never managed to set a consistent tone of how serious it is tbh.

Still though as you say, people still should do the right thing, even if they think they can get away with not

There is no excuse on this particular matter as the message has been loud and clear for long enough

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

It’s because so few people are acting responsibly that we are where we are and entering another lockdown for many to ignore again.

Agreed. The one thing the past seven months have taught me us that I am surrounded by selfish, ignorant, unintelligent morons who don’t give a shit about anyone bar themselves but will be the first in line when there are handouts, vaccines etc

 

[squirtyflower]

And it will continue like this until these behaviours are stamped out. Sadly, I feel it will take curfews and military support.

Will never happen in this country.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Agreed. The one thing the past seven months have taught me us that I am surrounded by selfish, ignorant, unintelligent morons who don’t give a shit about anyone bar themselves but will be the first in line when there are handouts, vaccines etc

That's true mate but that's what large parts of Britain are like, which is why the government's delayed, dithering, unsure, softly-softly approach going right back to early March and at every step since has been a calamity. The two things cannot be separated, and nether can the ignoring of the rules by politicians, particularly Cummings.

I think we can all agree that the whole national approach to this pandemic has been a massive disaster from top to bottom.

 

[mosssideblue]

Will never happen in this country.

It should never come to that, but at some point, if behaviours don't change...

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland 28 deaths sadly.

999 cases at 10.3%. Another rise in the % here.

378 Greater Glasgow, 207 Lanarkshire, 128, Lothian and 107 Ayrshire.

1254 in hospital (up 29)

92 on ventilators (down 1)

 

[squirtyflower]

i think there's something in this but i think it's simply impossible to say that 'because of some people's failure to isolate properly, we are going into lockdown'. but you know, agree to disagree and all that.

I’m not sure it’s the only factor, but it certainly is one that can be avoided.

A member of staff at my daughter’s school went on holiday to Spain and returned the day before school started. The head had warned that anyone who went to a country where you needed to quarantine on return you must give yourself enough time before school opened or maybe lose pay.
So this upstanding member of the community chose not to tell the school she had been on holiday.
Three days after return she goes off sick with, guess what? How many will she have infected in school? It was completely avoidable but her selfish actions could put someone else at risk.

 

[squirtyflower]

It should never come to that, but at some point, if behaviours don't change...

The behaviour we are describing has been engrained in to our population over the last 50 years, I can’t seeing it changing any time soon.