2020 US Elections

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buckshot said:
Pennsylvania is down to 5.3% down over 3% today and lots of votes left to be counted. Certain counties hadn't even started counting mail in ballots as of noon today.
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Eric and Rudi have turned up in Pennsylvania tonight with a "witness" to voter fraud. A witness in as much as he couldn't get in to watch the count ergo he has witnessed fraud.

Why would you claim fraud in a state you are likely to win??!! - He's fucking lost the plot tonight lashing out blind.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Eric and Rudi have turned up in Pennsylvania tonight with a "witness" to voter fraud. A witness in as much as he couldn't get in to watch the count ergo he has witnessed fraud.

Why would you claim fraud in a state you are likely to win??!! - He's fucking lost the plot tonight lashing out blind.
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The cynic may say they think they arent going to win it after all
 
bluethrunthru said:
Eric and Rudi have turned up in Pennsylvania tonight with a "witness" to voter fraud. A witness in as much as he couldn't get in to watch the count ergo he has witnessed fraud.

Why would you claim fraud in a state you are likely to win??!! - He's fucking lost the plot tonight lashing out blind.
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Biden is favored to win PA right now.
 
So if Biden holds Nevada, it's all over.

Then it will be weeks/months of Trump declaring fraud, recounts etc and his supporters will believe it.
 
Could the "hes just another politician" brigade remind me of all the times other presidential candidates have "claimed" states they have lost?
 
yankblue said:
This is a way oversimplification and just my opinion, but I think it boils down to 2 things.

1) The two-party system inevitably creates an "us" vs "them" mentality. It's just human nature. There's no room for compromising an alliances. Your side either wins or loses. And nobody wants to lose. So even if you're not thrilled about your candidate, you're more likely to vote for them because there is no other option

2) Conservatives in the US in general tend to be single issue voters more so then Liberals. So, they pick one thing that they care about and then vote for whoever best fits that policy. Unfortunately in many conservative pockets that tends to be an anti-abortion, or anti-immigration, or pro-gun, or pro-blue collar jobs vote. Which the Republicans frame their whole campaign around. And it works

It's obviously much more complicated then I can ever hope to fully understand or explain but in my opinion those are the 2 biggest reasons he gets that support.
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I think there's another big one in that they legitimately think that he's the best option or the party is legitimately better. To us there may be no or very limited logic as how we can get to the conclusion that Trump is the no1 guy but for them they have a differing background that means that the assumptions they use to make logical conclusions are vastly different to ours.

A lot of people are ill-informed, and not because of bad intent but just because they are. They've probably spent their entire lives growing up surrounded by people who think the way that's conducive to voting to Trump in 2020. All of their opinions and beliefs have been shaped by their surroundings that lead to the way they are now. Religious, capitalist, nationalist etc. So as an example when we think of immigration we may think of the cultural and economic benefits, but those exact same things are really terrifying if you have racist/xenophobic/ant-communist fears or beliefs.

So all the things we think are dumb, they think are smart, and vice versa. Their beliefs make absolutely no sense to us, but conversely, they feel the same way about us.

It's why when we spoke last I said it's important we really try to figure these people out, because right now we're at a stage where we might as well be trying to convince them using interpretive dance. There's no way they're going to comprehend our logic, so it's for us to take responsibility get onto their level instead.


There was a different case of something similar on this forum. I apologise immensely to @Bigga if I get this wrong or your uncomfortable with me singling you out and will happily delete any of this post if he asks me too, but I couldn't help but notice his anti-Biden stance. I've seen pro-Trump, anti-Trump, pro-Democrat, anti-Democrat, pro-Republican, anti-Republican stances all about since the campaigns started, but very little either way about Biden, which is interesting. But I also know enough from being on this forum that Bigga has experienced many aspects of his life in a different way due to his skin colour. A lot probably bad unfortunately, but not necessarily all of it. But I can only assume this means that because of this Bigga sees things differently. Different levels of understandings on some things, different perspectives on some things, different priorities etc. And on all stuff, not just race, but anything. Music tastes, stance on environmental policies, whether a candidate not being Trump is enough ignore the bits you don't like about the guy..
And I bring him up because when he was debating his points, I felt most parties used reasonable logic but ultimately everyone was coming at each other from a different angle and no ground was broken. And it's weird because you have these scenarios where legitimately nobody's wrong, at least in their own heads. But everyone else, is!
 
So, if as looks likely Biden wins what does he or the Democrats do differently to Trump besides not being a ****? Don’t think I’ve actually read much about what the two parties stand for
 
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